Skyline GTR34 vs E46 M3

[ShaunX]

HI guys, im new here. i was reading the forums for wuite some time an decided to register.
hwo do you think would win in the comparison ive made? has these 2 cars ever gone head to head in a shoot out? im talking track and road. which is faster?
thanks

[3000ways]

In my opinion there is no question which car is the superior track car, and that is the Skyline. The Skyline has AWD, handles better, and accelerates quicker. The Skyline also has boat load of more potential. Now if the question is which the best all around car, then I'd go with the M3. But purely on performance, I have to say the Skyline.

[kman10587]

Yup, as much as I dislike the Skyline, it's gonna out-perform an M3 pretty soundly.

[ShaunX]

thanks for the response. do you have any urls where they were tested at teh same track for instance? some people here on a south african BB are convinced that the M3 will wip the skyline. i am talking standard production cars here

[DinanM3_S2]

First of all I would like to say that this is an interesting comparison. Both the M3 and Skyline GTR are two of the most dreamed about cars from their respective countries.

Stock vs. stock?

Tell me if im wrong becuase i'm an American and therefore don't have much experience with this car except the very rare and modified versions that I have seen, but the stats I've found online say the Skyline has 276hp, weighs 3,670 lbs, does 0-60 in 5.2, and a 1/4 mile in 13.7. So in a straight, the BMW M3 already has the advantage (333hp, 3460 lbs, 5.0sec, and about 13.3) and trust me, a straight line isn't where the M3 was designed to shine. The BMW is lighter and has bigger breaks then the Skyline GTR, and is considered by many to be the best handling coupe in existence. Its hard for me to compare the two since the Skyline GTR isn't even in America and I'm biased towards the M3 since I own one, but I'll need to see times from a few different tracks before I can accept that the Skyline is faster, but for now it looks to me that the BMW M3 is faster.

As a daily driver I think theres no competition. Even the best Nissan/Infiniti interior and driving manners struggle when compared to BMWs.

I've heard wonderful things about the Skyline's ability to be tuned into amazing cars, I've seen 1000hp+ R34 GTRs, and over $10,000 put into my car hasn't increased my performance THAT much, so I'll give the Nissan that.

[CrzyMR2T]

the weight of these two cars are pretty close.

if its on a track with lots of turn, id say the skyline definately wins. the skyline is quicker than the 350z track, and the 350z is comparable to the e46 m3. in a straight line, i think they re pretty close, but the skyline can easily gain more power. as a daily driver, i think it would be pretty close, the m3 being a little better.

[TatII]

the R34 weights 3500 lbs, its true output is around 300whp all on 4 wheels, it also does 0-400m ( 3 feet shorter then a 1/4 mile ) in 12.9 seconds repeatedly stock. which is about right for its power to weight ratio. the 13.7 you saw were from road and track, and those are from used R33's and R34's from motorex with like 30-40K miles on them. so its not fair to compare the times of a used vehicle compared to a new one that was just broken in.

there is a video on BMI that shows the E36 M3 vs a S2000 type V, vs a 350Z track, and the R34 was the camera car.

pretty much the stock R34 was right behind the 350Z to observe the handling characteristics. the 350Z was also ahead of the M3. this was a 5 lap battle in tsukuba circuit in japan. after the 3rd lap, they told the skyline to go all out. in just 2 laps, it was about 3 seconds faster then the M3 and the 350Z track. it wasn't even close. as each lap went by, the R34 was pulling farther and farther way from the Z and the M3. the M3 was gaining on the Z really slow on the straightaway in that track, but the R34 passed the Z like it was nothing, ( this was when the GT-R over took it on the 3rd lap right when they told the driver to actually put the foot all the way down ) so this means all it takes is for the GT-R to drive at around 7/10th to be as fast as a E36 M3. this is all done with a bone stock R34 V-spec II by the way. to further prove this, i have another issue of BMI where they put the stock R34 against a 996 turbo. and guess what? the R34 was only .2 slower around sugo circuit. which proves that it will easily crush a E36 M3 since the M3 is not even in the same class as a 996 turbo. luckily i have this video on my comp. if your curious someone host it up for me.

you can't just look at the GT-R specs to have an idea of how fast it is, because the specs are soo off its not even funny. there was a discusion waaay earlier that was a Z32 300ZX TT vs. a stock R32 GT-R. and the Z on paper made more power then the R32. however i have a original 1989 BMI video on my comp which redneck hosted up for me showing the R32 owning the Z soo bad that it was one whole straight away behind or ( 3 seconds slower ). before i showed the video, everyone said the Z is faster becuse of its power advantage. not true. the R32 raped it.

it m3 vs 350Z video is on the import version of BMI ( Bestmotoring International ) video the in the November 2002 issue. if your curious about it, buy the video. i can't show it to you unfortunatly because its on DVD and i don't have it ripped to my comp.

[DinanM3_S2]

Originally Posted by TatII

there is a video on BMI that shows the E36 M3 vs a S2000 type V, vs a 350Z track, and the R34 was the camera car.

If its a E36 then sure a R34 should take it, the E36 M3 is much weaker then the E46 M3. What I would really like to see is N-Ring times for both of these cars.

[kman10587]

And just so you know, the maximum horsepower a car is allowed to be rated in Japan is 276 HP. Since the R34 is putting 300 to the wheels, the true HP rating must be in the high 300's.

[TatII]

Originally Posted by DinanM3_S2

If its a E36 then sure a R34 should take it, the E36 M3 is much weaker then the E46 M3. What I would really like to see is N-Ring times for both of these cars.

oops i mean a E46. i missed the number on the number key. and yes i would be very interested in seeing the track times on the ring with these two cars. but my dibs is on the GT-R. its soo much better suited for real roads like hte ring. you can power out of the corners with bumps in the road without lifting off the throttle. you can't do that with the bimmer. the GT-R also has more power, and has a much broader power band, and much more tq then the M3, so for the elevation changes such as uphills and such won't slow down the GT-R as much as it would to an M3. remember, the programing for the AWD system was done extensivly on the ring. so it would be right at home there.

a E46 M3 is really around the same speed as a u.s spec NSX ( 3200 lbs and 290hp ) in straight line and in cornering prowess. however the j-spec NSX such as the NSX type S zero weights only 2800 lbs, and makes 290hp ( and runs 12.8's in the 0-400m dash ) and stops shorter because of less weight, lighter rims, sticker tires, and stiff suspension, yet hte GT-R will beat it around a race track repeatedly again. a S zero would run circles around a E46 M3.

[fairladyz_gt-r]

I have that Video too. The Skyline did kill the E46 M3 pretty badly....anyway i think is argument is useless...is always hard to except that ur own car is slower.

[GKR]

Yeah I've got that on DVD. The reason the Skyline killed it was because it was a wet track. Out of the cars actually being tested, the M3 did the fastest lap time. If they really had've gone all out, the M3 would have won, not counting the GTR cam car. He spent a lot of time hanging back and watching, and going sideways

[DinanM3_S2]

No offence, but a wet track in Japan is about as favorable towards the GTR as you can get. I want n-ring times records. Ill admit if im wrong, but for now im skeptical.

[TatII]

the track wasn't wet, their wipers wasn't even on, the track was just damp from a humid day. the S2000 and the 350Z hand no problems with it, and neither did the porsche boxter. only the M3 was slide happy, however even you stated earlier is that the M3 was tuned to slide around alot. so there was nothing truely wrong with the track, as the S2000 was known to oversteer at the limit too, and the S2K showed no signs of over steer on that track. as i stated earlier, the M3 would be beaten by a NSX S zero. and the GT-R beats the S zero 4 out of 5 times.

you can be skeptical all you want, but the GT-R is much much faster then the M3 even in the dry. the R34 has the M3 beat in aceleration, in handling, and in stops just as well if not better. they have very similar weight as well, and the GT-R definitly makes more power then the M3.

[TatII]

the R33 GT-R did it in 7:59 and the R34 is much faster, for some reason i cannot find a time for the R34 this lap time was achieved in 97 by Autocar magazine.

here is the link to the site if you want to look, i'll try to find more sites to get the time for the R34

http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=0&tID=10073

here is some the story that relates to that same R33

http://www.caterham.force9.co.uk/ring.htm

a journalist wanted to try replicating the record himself so he thought out a 911 carrera, and a bone stock R33 GT-R.

the R33 GT-R driven by him posted a 8:28 second lap time with a supposed 276 bhp

the 911 carrera posted a 8:38 second lap time with 296bhp and lighter weight.

remember that particular GT-R had worn down its rear tires on the pratice runs, so it was oversteering alot, so the driver wasn't even tryin as hard as he did in the carrera and hitting the 155mph speed limiter repeatedly.

and he was not a pro driver, his car was not in top condition yet his lap time rivals that of a E46 M3 more then 5 years later running in top condition. not to mention that the R34 GT-R V-spec II laps an average of 1 second faster per lap compared to a R33 GT-R on Tsukuba Circuit.

i also have that video of BMI called Skyline GT-R the prodigy. it shows the both of them lapping the same track, and the R33 was no match for the R34.

this is the best i can find on a R34 GT-R

"An R34 is definitely quicker across a track than an R33, and why not, with better suspension, more torque and considerably improved aerodynamics. Japanese road tests have suggested a sweeter, more adjustable handling balance. The R34 has already run the famous Nurburgring at 7'52, eight seconds quicker than the best standard R33 can do. Although the road car has only just been released, an N1 production class racer was unveiled at the same time, and a wild looking GT-Class racer, with all carbon bodywork, and huge boxed flares has already been seen undergoing testing in Japan."

the website is down though the link to it was

http://www.agma.btinternet.co.uk/her...ritage-r34.htm

here is another link showing the R34 added to the list with a unofficial 7:52 seconds

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=49455

here is another site showing a R34 Nur spec doing a 7:58 second on the ring

http://www.dscr.net/ubb/cgi-bin/ulti...;f=34;t=005038

as you can see most of the times you see for the GT-R are under 8 minutes even though they were unofficial this is the best i can muster up.