Pass it on! [even if you have seen it]

[jcsaleen]

http://www.veteranscava.org/photos_t...r_make_the.htm

I hate the news they make me sick! (Dan Rathers)

[taranaki]

So...the parts of the truth that you'd rather not see are somehow less of the truth than this sanitised and sentimental trash that you are linking to?

there's good photo-opportunities for the sellers of this war,for sure.But for evry cutesy picture of a Marine cradling an orphan, there's a picture of a mother blown to pieces by American weapons.

http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/iraq/

If you are going to show the truth, show the whole truth.Otherwise Bush's war will never end,and he will never be judged for it.

[Tehvisseeus]

Considering how many times youve posted all of the brutal pictures naki, its nice to see at least a few that show the good sides of this war, even if you dont agree with it.

[Oz]

Naki,

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Tehvisseeus

Considering how many times youve posted all of the brutal pictures naki, its nice to see at least a few that show the good sides of this war, even if you dont agree with it.

As I've said, show the whole truth.My objection lies with the closed-minded clowns who would rather shout down any part of the truth that doesn't sit comfortably with them.War is a disgusting and inefficient way of enforcing your will on another group of people.With the advent of morally reprehensible weapons and tactics,war has become terrorism in a uniform.Anyone who wants to just sit at home and comfort themselves woth the warm fuzzy pictures provided by the propaganda department should be ashamed that they can't face the facts.

[YogsVR4]

If the threads with the brutal pics were linked with this one (without all the editorial comments) then balance would be achieved.

Regardless, all the ideologues here will never agree.


So, lets get the same arguements fired up again.

[Flatrater]

In a way I agree with naki we need to see both sides to know the truth. Showing only the brutal pics is a one sided affair. Claiming the brutal pics as the truth then trashing the other pics is wrong and one sided. Face it some good is happening in Iraq as well as some bad. On AF it seems only the bad is represented and taken as truth yet the good is called "propaganda".

If the good side pics is said to be propaganda by the US government, the bad pics must be propaganda by the insurgents and terrorists.

There are thousands of web sites showing the brutal pics it is propaganda also. Yet if the US shows some smiling children it is instantly ruled propaganda. Talk about one sided! its only fair that the US can show the good side of the soliders and the Iraq people.

[jcsaleen]

Btw ~ I got this from a girl that I know her brother has fought in Iraq but might be called back again

But even I think this war has to stop!

[taranaki]

I'd rather the good side showed American troops coming home to their families,and Iraqis being allowed to get on with their lives.

To suggest that 'some smiling children' demonstrates a 'good side' to this war is pathetic?Children never smiled befiore the Americans arrived?yeah, right.

This war is a crime,and the people who initiated it should be punished.But it won't happen because the Marines are to busy stroking pussy cats,holding prayer meetings, and cuddling little children......

[jcsaleen]

To free people from geno cide id sure as hell say thats a good thing. An to suggest that its the troops fault is obserd. They have orders an they carring them out do you know what happens if they dissobey? An you know how military courts work right? guilty until proven innocent.

Btw ~ naki have u ever seen a fully traind navy seal break down an cry an twitch when he tells about the storys in Iraq. Do you think that its just easy for our soldiers an that they clean everything up an nothing happens to them no pyschological effects at all? My dad was talking with a man (ex navy seal now) And he told us about a boy 9 years old who came out with an Ak an pointed directly at him. He had to choose either him or the boy so he shot hit the boy an killed him. after the convo we had to calm him down because even though it was 6 months or so ago he still is in counciling. Do you think that troops are just goin to be fine after the war? You make it sound as though everything bad is happening to Iraq'is. DONT BLAME the troops for one mans mistake!

[Tehvisseeus]

Originally Posted by taranaki

I'd rather the good side showed American troops coming home to their families,and Iraqis being allowed to get on with their lives.

I'm pretty sure that every single person in America agrees with you on this.

Originally Posted by taranaki

To suggest that 'some smiling children' demonstrates a 'good side' to this war is pathetic?Children never smiled befiore the Americans arrived?yeah, right.

True and to suggest as you do so often that americans havnt done good there is pathetic

Originally Posted by taranaki

This war is a crime,and the people who initiated it should be punished.

If you keep on bringing up the legality of the war just remember that Saddam was shooting at US aircraft way before the US initiated full armed combat. We just finally started defending ourselves.

Originally Posted by taranaki

But it won't happen because the Marines are to busy stroking pussy cats,holding prayer meetings, and cuddling little children......

What the hell do the marines have to do with pursecuting your so called war criminal? Stop blaming that troops for the actions taken in Iraq.

If you have a problem with the war fine, you are entitled to your opinion, however your obivious blunt, irrational hatred is really getting old.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Tehvisseeus

If you have a problem with the war fine, you are entitled to your opinion, however your obivious blunt, irrational hatred is really getting old.

My hatred is for war,and the people who unnecessarily start it.Nothing irrational about it,and I hope to hell it never gets old.There are too many deadly weapons now to risk another global conflict.

Originally Posted by Tehvisseeus

True and to suggest as you do so often that americans havnt done good there is pathetic

Pathetic is when a near-adult cannot read.I've repeatedly said that the Marine mission to Iraq has been an abject failure.I'm sure there are many good Americans working for relief organisations doing good work.You really should try to clarify your thinking.'Marines' is a totally different word to 'Americans'.Quite frankly, the constant assertion that it is not is beyond old,it's lame.

Originally Posted by Tehvisseeus

If you keep on bringing up the legality of the war just remember that Saddam was shooting at US aircraft way before the US initiated full armed combat. We just finally started defending ourselves.

And I'm sure that Bush would order US ground forces to shoot at Iraqi planes if they flew over the States.Attempting to enforce 'no-fly' zones over someone else's turf is an act of agression, don't cry when they defend their sovereign rights.

Originally Posted by Tehvisseeus

What the hell do the marines have to do with pursecuting your so called war criminal? Stop blaming that troops for the actions taken in Iraq.

Persecuting?prosecuting?......not sure which you intended.I'm not blaming the troops for any order to go to Iraq, but I'll argue for any individual who exceeds his orders and commits a war crime to be dealt with according to international law.First war criminal on the stand should be Saddaam, closely followed by George W Bush.

[Tehvisseeus]

Originally Posted by taranaki

My hatred is for war,and the people who unnecessarily start it.Nothing irrational about it,and I hope to hell it never gets old.There are too many deadly weapons now to risk another global conflict.

There are much more dangerous weapons now than there were say, 70 years ago, however, these weapons have ultimately led to much more efficient, less deadly wars.Instead of hundreds of thousands being killed, only thousands are. I do fail to see how the Iraq war could escalate into a global war without all of the people who keep complaining about it escalating world tensions. How else would you have suggested getting Saddam out of office? Perhaps another resolution? Maybe offer to pay the guy?

Originally Posted by taranaki

Pathetic is when a near-adult cannot read.I've repeatedly said that the Marine mission to Iraq has been an abject failure.I'm sure there are many good Americans working for relief organisations doing good work.You really should try to clarify your thinking.'Marines' is a totally different word to 'Americans'.Quite frankly, the constant assertion that it is not is beyond old,it's lame.

I'm sorry I was taking it in context. Sorry if I confused you. I meant marines, but I've still yet to see you praise even the aid missions going into Iraq...If you want to bring that up.

Originally Posted by taranaki

And I'm sure that Bush would order US ground forces to shoot at Iraqi planes if they flew over the States.Attempting to enforce 'no-fly' zones over someone else's turf is an act of agression, don't cry when they defend their sovereign rights.

You're right we would shoot them down, however we would never let a no-fly zone be a part of our surrender. If Saddam shoots at our planes, which is contrary to the cease fire agreement which he signed, then he is breaking international law and we are able to retaliate.

Originally Posted by taranaki

Persecuting?prosecuting?......not sure which you intended.I'm not blaming the troops for any order to go to Iraq, but I'll argue for any individual who exceeds his orders and commits a war crime to be dealt with according to international law.First war criminal on the stand should be Saddaam, closely followed by George W Bush.

Sorry prosecuting. Yes I agree anyone that has committed a war crime should stand for prosecution, just like what is happening to the people who committed the atrocities at Abu Grab. Bush did not break international law however, because he was merely enforcing enforcing the UN's resolutions, which they were too cowardly to do.

[T4 Primera]

Originally Posted by Tehvisseeus

You're right we would shoot them down, however we would never let a no-fly zone be a part of our surrender. If Saddam shoots at our planes, which is contrary to the cease fire agreement which he signed, then he is breaking international law and we are able to retaliate.

Oh he signed up for the no fly zones did he?

BULLSHIT!!

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...&postcount=232

Check your facts

[jcsaleen]

Fun Fact for you all... The united states made 40 atomic bombs that were brief cased size 8 are missing.