Tiburon Supercharger 9psi 311whp??

[CBFryman]

http://www.rippmods.com/products/pro...&productId=244

Claims 311hp from 9psi. Everything Stock except for Headers and Methanol/water injection. They also have a BOV on a supercharger . Im thinking huge BS . A friend of mine drivers an '04 Tiburon GT v6 and is gun ho' about his 300+ hp supercharged v6 that he will have after wasting 5grand... what do you think?

[-Jayson-]

i dont see why they dont use an intercooler instead of methanol. Maybe the compression is to high. But it could prolly doo 300HP. Forced induction does wonderful things to cars, who would have thought my little 4 banger would have 200 HP?

[CBFryman]

Originally Posted by -Jayson-

i dont see why they dont use an intercooler instead of methanol. Maybe the compression is to high. But it could prolly doo 300HP. Forced induction does wonderful things to cars, who would have thought my little 4 banger would have 200 HP?

May i remind you that stock output is around 152wp.... and its 9psi... working at 100% efficency (Intake to the supercharger equals that of the exaust of the supercharger) 9psi would only give around a 70% power increase all other things being equal to the NA engine. And since Methanol onlygive about 60% of the BTU's that gasoline does. The only thing that methanol/water is doing is colling the intake charge. granted water gives a higher compression. But we all know even cyntrifical superchergers cant work at even the 70% percent efficency of the average turbocharger. Its a hyndia. id like to see some dyno charts from non Ripp built cars.

[JoesInBoston]

Ripp puts alot of time and effort into their SDS systems. I am not a big fan of them for other reasons, but I can back it up by saying that they can throw down some incredible numbers, especially if the person with the 311hp at 9PSI is using properly designed headers. On average at 9PSI on a SDS equipped V6 Eclipse with longtubed headers and methanol injection, output is somewhere around the 270-290 range. If it was a good day for the car and the air was nice and cool......300+ is possible.

[kioplo]

Hmmm....it sounds like this guy just doesnt like hyundai vehicles and doesnt want the engine to be able to make that much power although the Delta V6 is a very capable engine. RIPP has the dyno charts and a video of the dyno...yet he still denies that the engine cant make that much power. He also doesnt have much basis for his argument, excpet that "its BS" even though several tiburon owners have this set up and are producing 320+ hp....maybe rather than basing his arguement on "its a hyundai" he should do some real research on RIPP's SDS and methonal injection which in many ways is actually better than an intercooler...and why would he say its stupid to use a BOV for this setup...its a centrifugal supercharger which uses a compresser very similar to a turbo.

[Jet-Lee]

BOV's are not always needed on superchargers, of any kind, because they spool down with the rpms, where a turbo keeps spinning when you let off the throttle.
But literally DOUBLING the hp on only 9psi does sound a little far fetched. But seein as he's got headers and methanol injection, I'm not sure, so I don't lean one way or the other. I know it's possible, but if the Hyundai engine can do it, is completely beyond my knowledge.

[Reed]

did you guys look at those torque numbers? PATHETIC! and i dont know a whole lot about dyno charts but shouldnt it tell the rpm instead of the mph? so aparently the car doesnt go much faster than 77 mph? bummer.

ill give it this.
it is probably a decent system that gives pretty good gains but i would be willing to bet that everything shown has been doctored with or at least been given the benefit of the doubt.

a similar turbo setup could probably give it the same hp numbers but with way better torque. (shit this is going to start another turbo vs sc argument)

i guess that HP sell parts to stupid people.

[Andy Dorsett]

(14.7+9)/14.7=1.61 9psi will produce about a 61% gain. The methenol injection is for detonation and will not increase power on its own. It will allow higher boost which will increase power.

Factors that could contribute to the horsepower seeming high.
1. reading the boost gage. Boost gages are not very accurate and another psi of boost is a significant gain.
2. The headers make a big difference.
3. That car made more than 152whp.

[CBFryman]

Originally Posted by kioplo

Hmmm....it sounds like this guy just doesnt like hyundai vehicles and doesnt want the engine to be able to make that much power although the Delta V6 is a very capable engine. RIPP has the dyno charts and a video of the dyno...yet he still denies that the engine cant make that much power. He also doesnt have much basis for his argument, excpet that "its BS" even though several tiburon owners have this set up and are producing 320+ hp....maybe rather than basing his arguement on "its a hyundai" he should do some real research on RIPP's SDS and methonal injection which in many ways is actually better than an intercooler...and why would he say its stupid to use a BOV for this setup...its a centrifugal supercharger which uses a compresser very similar to a turbo.

Seems as though this guy does know much about ocmpressor efficency for the simple fact that cyntrifical superchargers are only a small step up from positive displacement superchargers. as i said, WTF do you need a BOV for on a supercharger? your boost should be regulated by your pulley size, not alowing extra air you just used energy you took from the crank to compress escape.
let me learn you something.
Air pressure at sea level is 14.7 PSI. In order to double power you would need twice as much air and twice as much power you need twice as much fule/air. All things being 100% compressor efficency an engine producing 152hp will need 14.7psi of boost to make 304hp. This is with all things being the same.
Example?
Hyundia GT V6 Pushing 172bhp with a transmision loss of 12% makes around 152hp to the wheels.

as i quote from the RIPP site itself this is what you get.

?RIPP SDS (Supercharger Drive System) 6061 Aluminum CNC design and fabricated

?RIPP/Vortech V5-VSQ G-Trim Supercharger (Quiet gear drive and polished)

?RIPP Blow Off Valve

?Six rising rate 310cc Injectors

?RIPP 6061 Aluminum piping

?RIPP Battery relocation system

?RIPP No weld oil return

?Four Ply silicon hose (Gloss Black Red or Blue)

?Clamps

?Hard ware and clamps included

?RIPP Boost Cooler

?Upgraded Shaft Pulley for 9psi

?Oil feed fitting

?Oil feed/return lines

?Fully illustrated Instruction

?Malpassi Rising rate fuel pressure regulator with gauge

?Walboro 255 Fuel Pump

?Easy 8-12 hour install

?One year limited warranty

The Injectors and fule pump i am assumeing are for the Mehtanol/water injection.
No Intake Manifold, No heads, No Headers.

9psi=61% more air into the cylenders. at 100% compressor efficency that would mean 61% more power. 245hp. now we do have methanol/water injection to cool the intake charge. so lets say that after the cooling you are working at 100% compressor efficency tempature wise (you are still stealing power from the crank to make this power) and the extra cooling and small raising in compression will give you the extra power to compensate for the pwoer loss from spinning the compressor (i am trying to make this work for RIPP).

after looking at the dyno charts i realized they had MPH instead of RPM on the dyno chart. I am thinking a very happy dyno when they pulled 309hp. that or because they did measure in MPH maybe they used one of htoes G-Force in car HP measureers that measures by acceleration instead of actual cyntrifical force. a far more in accurate way of measuring hp. the run with 269hp is the most beleiveable to me.

Now am i missing something here? please Mr. All Mighty Korea lover. Ive explain why not. you explain Why....

[Reed]

i just hate hyundais

[beef_bourito]

To me, that looks like total bs, the tiby only makes 172hp at the fly, that's pathetic considering it is a 2.6L engine and Honda's Accord V-6 makes 70 more hp with only an extra 300cc of displacement. I'm not trying to rip on anyone but Tiburons just aren't fast, even supercharged. To make some good power you'd need more mods than that and at leased 15PSI. Headers, catback, and high flow cat will give you, if you're lucky, 10-20hp, depending on how bad the factory ones were. Tell your friend to save his money, unless he's thinking of taking it to the track, even then, go turbo, they give better hp ratings and better torque. But please no one argue that point, it's been proven, I used to love superchargers(never had one but thought they were better) but they just dont crank out as much.

[CBFryman]

Turbo's and Screw type superchargers have even efficency rates in the short run (ie running the 1/4 mile) but screw type superchargers begin to heat up after running them for a while.

[kioplo]

well see, i go to school with this guy, and he always bashes my tib like this and he acts like he knows about turbos and stuff, but see....he doesnt even have a car, i think i sense some penis envy going on...

[kwik26]

A centrifugal compressor is used on centrifugal superchargers and turbos, they are the same type of compressor.

Roots type SCs use a complete different type of compressor, this is the one people think of usually when you say supercharger.

On both Turbos and Centrifugal SCs the compressor has plumbing between itself and the throttle body. The need for a Blow Off Valve is so that the compressed air in the plumbing does not create an excessive amount of back pressure when the Throttle Body is shut, ie when you come off the gas after hard accel, like when shifting.

Just because you come off the gas does not mean a SC stops boosting immediately, if you pull your foot off the gas while shifting at 6500 rpm with a centrifugal SC the Throttle Body suddenly closes all that extra pressure needs a place to escape, that's why centrifugal SCs need a BOV, for the same exact reasons that turbos do. If you have trouble understanding this you should do a little more homework on the 2 types of compressors.

Methanol injection cools intake charge, alot. But also it is alcohol, which is a fuel, so it works in 2 ways, cooling the intake charge as well as addition an additional fuel source. So you will see alot of power out of alcohol injection.

As for the RIPP mods Centrifugal SC on the Tiburon specifically, you are putting 9psi plus alcohol injection on top of a car already modified with intake, headers and exhaust, as they are required.

A Tib with I/H/E is good for about 170whp without fuel tuning. Fuel tuning on top of that will add even more. The engine really really reacts well to mods. So you can estimate your 9psi off 170whp, then get some more out of fuel tuning.

So assuming 170whp @ 14.7psi you then add your 9psi of boost off that.
((14.7+9)/14.7)*170=274 untuned wheel horse power.

For those who don't know from the factory the Tib is super rich, it is between 10:1 - 11:1 AFR. So with 274 untuned whp you can get a whole lot more power out of tuning it correctly. With proper tuning and the alcohol injection it is really easy to get it up to 311whp.

RIPP mods is a well know outfit that has had a great record with excellent tuning. To back up their claims on this system they videod the actual dyno run and also made videos of it running on the street as well as at the track.

There were 10 initial investors for RIPPs Tiburon project, and all 10 of those investors are getting comprable numbers with their setups, some have gotten even more HP with their tuning.

The delta engine is a very very solid tuning engine and reacts really well to mods. It has been dyno proven to get over 12whp from only a CAI. The head flows really well and the engine really loves boost.

[kwik26]

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

To me, that looks like total bs, the tiby only makes 172hp at the fly, that's pathetic considering it is a 2.6L engine and Honda's Accord V-6 makes 70 more hp with only an extra 300cc of displacement. I'm not trying to rip on anyone but Tiburons just aren't fast, even supercharged. To make some good power you'd need more mods than that and at leased 15PSI. Headers, catback, and high flow cat will give you, if you're lucky, 10-20hp, depending on how bad the factory ones were. Tell your friend to save his money, unless he's thinking of taking it to the track, even then, go turbo, they give better hp ratings and better torque. But please no one argue that point, it's been proven, I used to love superchargers(never had one but thought they were better) but they just dont crank out as much.

I know you don't know alot about the car, but you are making some bad assumption. The Tib V6 is harshly restricted from the factory to make it absolutely silent. It is dyno proven 12+whp consistently with only a CAI. It is also retardly rich from the factory so just a little fuel tuning goes a long long way.

I/H/E on the V6 Tib has consistently given approximately 25whp. The engine is very detuned from the factory so it reacts really really well to bolt on mods.