american muscle

[89IROC&RS]

Hey all,

just in case some of us are worried about the lack of american performance today, go out to the news stand and get the Febuary 2005 Motortrend, made my day

340hp dodge charger
500hp Viper GTS
400hp Caddy CTS-V
400hp GTO
425hp Chrysler Srt8

a breakdown on the next ZO6, my new wet dream car till the next camaro comes out.

a first impression of the new cobalt SS. which might well become my next daily driver to keep the IROC safe from highway nuts.

anyway, made me happy, thought yall might get a kick out of it.

[CORE402]

The Charger is a joke. Just a 300M in Dodge skin. Plus it has 4 doors! The new Z06 is one hell of a car just a little on the expensive side. 500hp, 427ci, and a whole lot of fast and nimble. The cobalt is interesting little car. Yeah the camaro needs to return so those Mustang guys can shut up! That new 400hp GTO that pulls 13.3... Nice. Just need to remake the car into an american car so it doesn't weigh 3800 pounds!

[philly rs]

the cobalt huh...i know a cavaler when i see one, u couldnt give me that thing what a joke, at this rate all my ford buddies are gonna clown me under the table im sad for chevy because someone needs to be ashamed!

[Robs71Nova]

The cheapest thing on that list (besides the cobalt which is a joke) looks to be the GTO, but I don't know how much the Chargers are going to go far and the GTO is a 30-35 thousand dollar car new. American muscle is improving, but they need to start making affordable american muscle.

Rob

[philly rs]

i dont think i would want the gto either... not only is it a grand am grand prix knockoff but how the hell come it doesnt have dual exaust?? the 2 pipes next to eachother is gayer than hell!

[KPot2004]

hows the cobalt a joke???, its ages ahead of the cav, and looks 10x better. according to motor trend the cobalt SS is the quickest front wheel drive car they have tested in the past 3 years. also the interior quality is years ahead of the cheap plastic that was offerd in the cav. i know you guys dont care unless its v8 rwd but at least give it a chance, i would rather drive a SS then a civic

[lookin4wheels]

i dont think i would want the gto either... not only is it a grand am grand prix knockoff but how the hell come it doesnt have dual exaust?? the 2 pipes next to eachother is gayer than hell!

[89IROC&RS]

cobalt a joke??? dude, im seriously looking to get one after a few years to replace the IROC as my daily driver. first thing of course is to take off that rear spoiler. as far as its looks, i personally like it alot more than the last design cavalier, but dude, check the stats...

0-60 in 6 seconds
1/4mile in 14.5 @ 98.2 (as fast as or faster than my '89 350 IROC)
60-0 in 115 ft
cornering is .89g's
slalom speed is 69 mph (faster than the base vette)
Better lateral acceleration than a VW R32
Faster 0-60 than the mini cooper S
better braking 60-0 than a WRX

out of a supercharged (not turbo) 2.0L four banger. hell im impressed. gotta remember guys, it wasnt meant to be a camaro, and i certainly dont see it as one. But for an american sport compact thats damn impressive.

as far as ford clowning us under the table, the only thing they have thats fast is the mustang and possibly the focus SVT. They sure as shit dont have anything that will run with the vette, nothing to match the caddy in its class, the GTO is steppin up its game, hell, im optimistic at where this is going, im a bit surprised at how pessimistic yall are being. Yeah i agree that the charger should have been more true to its roots, but its not a bad car. and in todays day and age, i would have expected a 200hp V6 in it rather than the 340hp V8 it got. HP is up, design is getting better (Arguably) and the camaro will be back in 2007, life is good in my opinion.

[92rs25th]

Hey iroc , did you see the super charged one ? What's the specs on that thing , I've been thinking about this too.

[89IROC&RS]

those specs are the supercharged one (aka the SS). it runs 205hp

[CORE402]

Yeah I read the same Motortrend I am very impressed with the cobalt ss, Z06 vette, GTO, 300M SRT-8, and the Cadillac. Quite impressed! The Charger has a cool engine, if that says anything, but in my opinion not that interesting.

[92rs25th]

And what size of engine is that coming out of ?

Because mazda is going to release a 275Hp turbo 2.3 ( 4 banger obviously ) And I was wondering if the cobalt was better but it seems not.Maybe i will stick with the mazdaspeed 6.

[Morley]

Hold onto your hats...The rumor mill says Chevy may re-release the.....NOMAD...The grocery getter with an LS!/LS2 engine, 2 door wagon.

[y2icon]

i have been interested in a cobalt for awhile and i think too many people are writing it off too fast. so maybe its cavalier-esque but its still one sweet looking ride and the numbers omg the numbers these two really stuck out to me

0-60 in 6 seconds(can uj think of a better way to spend 6 seconds?)
1/4mile in 14.5 @ 98.2 (as fast as or faster than a '89 350 IROC)

[Hypsi87]

Originally Posted by 89IROC&RS

cobalt a joke??? dude, im seriously looking to get one after a few years to replace the IROC as my daily driver. first thing of course is to take off that rear spoiler. as far as its looks, i personally like it alot more than the last design cavalier, but dude, check the stats...

0-60 in 6 seconds
1/4mile in 14.5 @ 98.2 (as fast as or faster than my '89 350 IROC)
60-0 in 115 ft
cornering is .89g's
slalom speed is 69 mph (faster than the base vette)
Better lateral acceleration than a VW R32
Faster 0-60 than the mini cooper S
better braking 60-0 than a WRX

out of a supercharged (not turbo) 2.0L four banger. hell im impressed. gotta remember guys, it wasnt meant to be a camaro, and i certainly dont see it as one. But for an american sport compact thats damn impressive.

as far as ford clowning us under the table, the only thing they have thats fast is the mustang and possibly the focus SVT. They sure as shit dont have anything that will run with the vette, nothing to match the caddy in its class, the GTO is steppin up its game, hell, im optimistic at where this is going, im a bit surprised at how pessimistic yall are being. Yeah i agree that the charger should have been more true to its roots, but its not a bad car. and in todays day and age, i would have expected a 200hp V6 in it rather than the 340hp V8 it got. HP is up, design is getting better (Arguably) and the camaro will be back in 2007, life is good in my opinion.

LOL it pulled the same cornering numbers as a GN. Who says they can't handle