B18c1 vs H22a

[95IntegOwner]

I have a 95 Integ Ls, with a partially blown engine, it runs good, but me and my dad did a miracle fix on it after I blew it (forgot to put the radiator cap back on, and was hauling ass to take my friend to pendleton) and it works and all, but I'd rather replace it before I have to. So I've been looking at engines and I figure if I'm going to get a new one why not get one with VTec, and why not get the best bang for my buck. My question is that I'm wondering if a H22a (Prelude Vtec with 200 HP right?) will go into my car, and if so, then why haven't more people done it? From my understanding of the situation, B18c1 is the GSR Engine that would go into my car with the least adaptability issues, and it cost 3 G's, yet only has like 170 HP. The H22a is only 2000, if the swap is possible, then why isn't it more popular if it's high in HP, gives the feel of VTec, and is low on cost? Again, assuming that it's possible, if it's not even possible, then that'd help to. If you're going to respond with "use the search feature" then just pm me, and let the thread die. Thanks in advance for any and all replies.

Edit: Changed the title

[Tano016]

Yes, it is possible to put a h22a into your integra, but you need a custom motor mount kit and all kinds of adapters and reienforcments, there are companies that sell these, but its going to be expensive for the parts and especially for the labor, its not worth it.I dont recommend putting a h22 in an integra, you might endup with stability issues, since the h22 is heavier has more torque than the b18. Personnaly, i own a 2001 Gsr and i am more than happy with it, however whenever i see a type r pass by me, a tear runs through my eye, i couldnt find one in original condition at the time i bought my car. With that said, i would recommend getting a JDM B18C SPEC R (or B18C5) engine and putting into your integra. Not only will you get the 195 Hp, you will get the best transmission honda has ever made (except for NSX and S2000), I personnaly dont like the feel of the prelude tranny, too bulky. If you dont wanna spend the extra case, just get the b18c1 with tranny and call it a day. Thats my advice

[95IntegOwner]

Yeah, I never thought of the stability issues I might have, my car is a daily driver afterall. I guess I'll get to researching the GSR swap, thanks for your reply.

[97integrals]

Don’t go with the b18c5 it is way to expensive and the difference between it and b18c1 GSR motor are minimal. The h22 is a good motor but is far to heavy for the integra. The horsepower numbers on the h22, compared to the b18c1, are insignificant when you take in to account the added weight. And like stated before the cost of the h22 swap would be extremely pricey, that's why you don't see anyone doing the swap. Swap in the b18c1 you will be very satisfied and you have a very good platform to work from.

[kornflakes28546]

Originally Posted by 97integrals

Don’t go with the b18c5 it is way to expensive and the difference between it and b18c1 GSR motor are minimal.

i agree with it being expensive... but 25hp isn't very minimal IMO.

[Tano016]

[quote=97integrals]The horsepower numbers on the h22, compared to the b18c1, are insignificant when you take in to account the added weight.

Thats only if you compare an actual prelude to an actual integra gsr. The added weight is more in the body than in the engine, so if you put a h22 in an integra body is will be lightning quick and faster than a b18c1 in an integra body, but once again i wouldn't recommend it for the above reasons, too expensive and not reliable, if i had the money i would get the b18c5 over the h22, or else i would just get the b18c1

[CivicSpoon]

Yeah the h22 only weights around 35-50lbs more than the b16a motor. But the swap can be very reliable, my friend has had his for 2 years and the only problem he had was an LSD that blew a hole in his tranny (this was because it was a bad tranny not a bad swap). The swap will cost around $4,000-5,000 depending on what parts you get. And there is minor cutting involved as well. Here's a thread with most of the information about this swap: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=332296

[gsr916]

The actual H22 motor is cheaper than B18C1

[tran_nsx]

why don't u just get a turbo kit on ur b18b1 and smoke the other two motors?

[CivicSpoon]

A turbo LS would smoke both those other motors.

[97integrals]

the b18c5 may have 25 more horses but when i say minimal I mean that except for higher compression, more agressive cam and maybe a little better flowing head it is very simalar to the b18c1. And because of the price difference it is my opinion a waste of money. Unless your swaping it in for show it is not worth it. With the money saved you could make a b18c1 much more powerful. And the b18c5 comes from the factory pretty much max-ed out so from a modifcation stand point it would not make much sense to go that route unless your plans were to leave it stock. As far as the H22 goes to be honest I don't have much experience with them, but it maybe a very good swap for other cars like the civic, however having the b18c1 witch is pretty much bolt in into an integra i believe it would be down right stupid to swap in an h22 unless you where trying to do something different. I also totally agree with the b18b1 turbo that is the setup I am going with, it satifies the need to be different fast and cheap so you might want to cosider that.

[95IntegOwner]

A turbo would blow my engine. I blew my engine, as stated. So we tow it down, do a headjob and slap it back together, then it's smoking white smoke still. So my dad's like, yeah you cracked your block. So I'm like damn, so then he's like let me call a buddy of mine (he's a mechanic) and see if he has any miracle fixes for it. So his friend tells him to put a can of block seal and then see how it does. So we follow the block seal instructions (which are stupid by the way) and then the next day the seal last about 5 mins and then my car starts smoking again. So then my dad calls his friend back and he says to pour the can of block seal directly into the engine block through the upper radiator hose. Run the car for the recommended thirty mins, but take out the spark plug on the blown cylinder. So as not to blow the seal, since each compression on the last way that we did it was blowing the seal each time except for the last, this way I guess it spread the sealant more evenly, and gave it a firmer seal. I blew my engine last January and we fixed the car about mid February. I've stacked 19 thosand miles on the car since (every weekend I drive to see my gf at her college roughly 100 miles away), and I've also gone 135, think I could have got 140 but I was approaching other cars, and yes it was on a downhilll, on flat land I've done 125 with my friend in the car, and it wouldn't go any faster. So though the seal has held up, the last thing I want to do is add unneccessary pressure to my engine. I think that if I come across a cheap GSR engine right now I'll do the GSR swap, that or I'll just shop around for an early 3rd gen GSR and give my current car to my little bro. My current car has a host of problems, one of the other major factors as for me wanting to change the engine, is that the clutch was more or less gone when I bought the car, and I fear that the tranny might be getting there to as a result of me driving it for so long. The clutch slips like crazy, and in order for me to throw it into 1st I have to leave my foot pressed on the clutch at a stop. Otherwise I have to grind and force it into gear. We replaced the clutch master cylinder, and the bled it accordingly, and it didn't help any. I was thinking that if I was going to go in and put a new clutch in, then I might as well throw in a new engine and tranny too while I'm at it. The car still surprisingly runs well. It's about a weekend or two away from hitting the 220,000 mile mark, and I just gave up on how jerky my passengers feel :-). The touch on the clutch is gone, but I've learned to drive the car messed up so well that I compensate for what it lacks pretty well. So yeah, sorry about the long paragraph, but I'm headed to a party and I don't have to time to touch it up.

In short, turbo = blown engine :-) Through maybe if I get a GSR then I might turbo it :-D. Kinda wanted to see what I could do with a functioning Integ :-). I'm considering a lot of things/cars which is why I posted the original question. Thanks to everyone for replying. If you have a blown engine, try the 6 dollar block seal miracle fix before you spend 200 or so on the head gasket kit.

[integrawhat]

^^^so i was like, and then he was like, so lets call my friend and he was like, like totaly....(i just had a flashback from clueless) your not a 16 year old girl are you?? lol jk

[SiGNAL748]

h22 turbo would blow all the others out of the water. Though, being the least sane and practical swap out of the above.

[tran_nsx]

i would just get an early 3rd gen gsr then and call it a day.