aerodynamics

[mustangfreak145]

ok i am trying to start preparing for a major 2000 mustang build up that will take place over a period of years for money reasons. you may have seen me ask stupid questions here in the mustang forums. im just wanting imput from other lovers of mustangs so i can jot notes and to make sure i dont get surprises.the whole car will be made up. the interier of the carwill have a roll cage two racing seats and thats it. well the basics but you know what i mean.

the engine will be 1600hp twin turbo. not going to give anything away till its built. sorry guys. but i will say its going to be driven to events and stuff so dont think this car will be put on a trailer hell no.

ive picked everything out for my car engine setup ,transmiss,suspention,safty,cooling everything.i just need to know what can i do to make the 2000 stangs more aerodynamic. with a set up like this i need a lot of help getting it planted. so anybody hints?

what kits are out there to enhance the downforce and what can i do. is it a good idea to build like a aluminum panel under the front and the back of the car? thanks guys and ill keep you posted to when i start work on this. im waiting because im going to universal technacal instatute this coming fall to be a ford technition so i will obvioualy do all the work myself.

im not going to rush through this the whole point of building up a car is to take your time right?

[andrewespo]

Drop the chassis and get a aerodynamic shell for your chassis. Your talking about making a strictly drag racing car, the car is going to be all engine.

[mustangfreak145]

Originally Posted by andrewespo

Drop the chassis and get a aerodynamic shell for your chassis. Your talking about making a strictly drag racing car, the car is going to be all engine.

what do you mean areodynamic shell and were do i get one or do i have to make one? can i just take a big piece of aluminum to the whole underbody of the car with a door cut in it for access the engine the car is for drag but it will not be transported be a trailer. it will be driven to events

[StangNut86]

if you can get 1600 horsepower to work on the street, you're ba better man than all of us. 1600 horse would empty your gas tank before you made 10 miles. i'm not sure what your experience is in modifying mustangs and driving fast cars, but i'm gonna take a long shot and say this is way outta your league. i'm starting small and going big in the long run, as are most other new hot rodders.

[andrewespo]

This is ture, plus with that kind of hp your not going to be using any regular octane. You'll probably be spending $6-8 a gallon on racing fuel. It's not a realistic option to build a 1600hp twin turbo engine just coming into the car world. You should buy a 87-98 stang and work on it and when you get ready, buy a Vortech S-trim, i'm sure that will keep you happy.

[mustangfreak145]

well if i get a ems and set it up to were i lower it like a stock setting to drive around the street and then before a race set it up to race it. ill be using a labtop to tune it and scence ill be a ford tech ill know how to set it up to race and for fuel economy. have two setings on my labtop one that will act as a factry ecu settings. and the second to use to tear the track up. i refuse to spend all this money on a bad ass stang and put it on the trailer and haul it around. i think people who do that are wasting time and missing the point of building up a car to drive it around in other places besides the track. thats just my opinion. ohh i forgott 1600hp will be to much for pump gas. i have and idea but dont know if it would work. ok here goes. ill havea race fuel cell and fill it up with race fuel before a race. but i will have the regular take with 93 octane. ill drop the stock tank and connect the fuel cell to the engine. so after the races ill re attach the gas tank unplug the fuel cell and hook up the stock tank. but that wont work because i will have a 9:5:1 compression so i might? any ideas if i use pump gas to drive to the strip on the stock tank and then when i get there drop the tank. then connect the fuel cell in the trunk that will have the race gas. will that fuck the compression up if i did the ems settings? what else would i have to do to make this work?

[boosted331]

Do I smell a totally unrealistic pipe dream? Why, yes, I'm quite sure I do.

If you have the money to spend a good 40 thousand dollars on a motor setup, go to whatever made up shop you're dreaming about going to, and have them whip you up something

Go get a ride in a 600 RWHP car. When you shit your god-damn pants because of how retardly fast it is, then come talk about building a 1600 horsepower car.

[mustangfreak145]

dude dont bust my dreams. i know it sounds like bull shit but you never know it could happen. i just realized today that 1600hp is to much and i have another idean ive officially caned the mustang idea. not going to do it. too much fabing up, no one believe its possible for anything, and too much money. instead i found after reserch a nice little engine package for a wrx. so ill go with that. cheaper and more suited for me. so i dont worry i wont be posting here anymore so you wont have to bash me again for just getting ideas. thanks to all the guys who actualy helped me. i hope to all of you how think this idea is impossible see someone on the cover of muscle mustangs and fast fords with the car like it. im out.

[Laxxplyr]

Originally Posted by mustangfreak145

dude dont bust my dreams. i know it sounds like bull shit but you never know it could happen. i just realized today that 1600hp is to much and i have another idean ive officially caned the mustang idea. not going to do it. too much fabing up, no one believe its possible for anything, and too much money. instead i found after reserch a nice little engine package for a wrx. so ill go with that. cheaper and more suited for me. so i dont worry i wont be posting here anymore so you wont have to bash me again for just getting ideas. thanks to all the guys who actualy helped me. i hope to all of you how think this idea is impossible see someone on the cover of muscle mustangs and fast fords with the car like it. im out.

I wonder if he is going to change his screen name now.....

[Rod&Custom]

He'll have to since no one will believe a post he writes after this...

[TheStang00]

is a 4.6 even capable of obtaining that kind of power?

[DanF]

If your car has 1600 horses, you can't run on street gas. Period. Even if you cut your horse power in half by de-tuning it, you will still be at 800, thats even pretty unrealistic for pump gas. None the less steetable. People have a hard time passing a car with with 600 horses through emissions if you have that where you live your going to have serious problem with that. I know you want a turbo car and figure that hell I can just turn down the boost on the street, it isn't that simple. If you could cut your horsepower in half by detuning (primarily turning down the boost, because you can't retard your timing enough to keep the car running), which in itself is next to impossible to detune that much, You would have to bring the boost down to 0psi, from a track PSI of more than likely near 40psi if not over. Then you have to factor in safety, if you build the car like you said your going to be cutting the weight out in the car. You figure a stock weighted stang is around 3600-3800 I think, with 800whp that car is good for at least very low 10's with maybe even mid 9 second times. You can't drive a car that fast on the street everyday its just not economical, you'll be spending 200 a week in gas, plus its not safe because you give it 5% more throttle than you want and you lose the entire back end of the car in a turn and spin out into traffic. Then you say you want to put out 1600? that kind of power would land you in the 6 second time bracket I'm pretty sure.... at least 7's, have you ever seen a real car that could turn a 7second 1/4 time? I don't mean on TV I mean in real life. Those cars are no joke and people get seriously hurt and if you haven't built up to driving that fast your only going to hurt yourself and potentially other people.

Plus you can't realistically hope to achieve those kind of number out of a stock 4.6 block, you would need to have a special made block at least and I would think you would need more cubic inches as well, like one of the 5.4's at least maybe a 351 block or even a 460, to spool the type of turbos to produce the kind of effiency you want you are going to need allot of cubes.

My opinion is, buy a stand, a GT, work on it slowly... I know tons of people with very fast mustngs that run low 12's and high 11's on the street and let me tell you something, contrary to popular beliefe real life isn't like the fast and the furious and almost no one runs 10's in the street. Most people are lucky to run 13's don't get me wrong, 13's are damn fast on the street and those who run 12's or 11's are pretty much untoucable. Granted there are a few who run 10's but that is only after heavy modification and those cars are by no means daily drivers.

The last thing I have to say is, if you want a steetable car that has that much horsepower or near it, I would tell you to spend allot of time looking into Nitrous. I know allot of poeple don't like it, but I've seen cars that turn mid 12's at the track all motor turn 10's on the bottle with a progressive system. A 12 second car is steetaable car and then when you really need to get on it you have that button to pretty much garentee your gonna take whatever you can on the street.

All in all, ditch the TT idea with a more realistic one, get into the car scene a little more before you jump into it like this. You break a car like you want to build at it will cost you thousands. Plus I've seen many poeple hurt and a few killed by poeple who couldn't handle thier cars because they just poured money into and didn't know what they were doing or how to drive.

[importeater5_0]

i have more realistic dreams when im sleeping

[boosted331]

Originally Posted by DanF

If your car has 1600 horses, you can't run on street gas. Period. Even if you cut your horse power in half by de-tuning it, you will still be at 800, thats even pretty unrealistic for pump gas.

Big turbos move lots of air at low boost pressure. To make 800 RWHP out of, say, a pair of T70's will take 12, maybe 13 pounds of boost.

Originally Posted by DanF

None the less steetable. People have a hard time passing a car with with 600 horses through emissions if you have that where you live your going to have serious problem with that.

I'm pretty sure emissions would be the least of his concerns.

Originally Posted by DanF

I know you want a turbo car and figure that hell I can just turn down the boost on the street, it isn't that simple. If you could cut your horsepower in half by detuning (primarily turning down the boost, because you can't retard your timing enough to keep the car running), which in itself is next to impossible to detune that much, You would have to bring the boost down to 0psi, from a track PSI of more than likely near 40psi if not over.

To make 1600 horsepower on a big motor from big twins isn't going to take 40+ psi. I helped build a PSCA car, running a 379" SBF and a 101MM turbo he runs under 30 pounds of boost to run low 8's in a heavy car.

Originally Posted by DanF

Then you have to factor in safety, if you build the car like you said your going to be cutting the weight out in the car. You figure a stock weighted stang is around 3600-3800 I think, with 800whp that car is good for at least very low 10's with maybe even mid 9 second times.

800 RWHP in a 3600 pound car is good for over 150 MPH traps. With a properly setup suspension very low 9's is well within reach.

Originally Posted by DanF

You can't drive a car that fast on the street everyday its just not economical, you'll be spending 200 a week in gas, plus its not safe because you give it 5% more throttle than you want and you lose the entire back end of the car in a turn and spin out into traffic.

If you can completely spin out by giving it a pinch too much throttle in traffic with a turbocharged small block motor, you're a complete retard. Do you have any concept of throttle modulation, or how boost hits?

Originally Posted by DanF

Then you say you want to put out 1600? that kind of power would land you in the 6 second time bracket I'm pretty sure.... at least 7's, have you ever seen a real car that could turn a 7second 1/4 time? I don't mean on TV I mean in real life. Those cars are no joke and people get seriously hurt and if you haven't built up to driving that fast your only going to hurt yourself and potentially other people.

1600 motor horsepower is good to dip into the 7's in a fairly heavy car, not the 6's. 6's in a 3600 pound car and you're looking at over 2200, 2400 horsepower. Pro-5.0 cars were dipping into the 6's a few years ago weighing 2800 pounds and making 2000 horsepower. I agree with you that trying to use all that power on the street would be impossible and dangerous.

Originally Posted by DanF

Plus you can't realistically hope to achieve those kind of number out of a stock 4.6 block, you would need to have a special made block at least and I would think you would need more cubic inches as well, like one of the 5.4's at least maybe a 351 block or even a 460, to spool the type of turbos to produce the kind of effiency you want you are going to need allot of cubes.

Yes, he realisticly can. Mihovetz has gone mid/high 6's on a stock 4.6 litre block. SSO cars are making 2000 horsepower and running low low 7's on 360" conventional SBF's, so why again would he need a big block?

Originally Posted by DanF

Granted there are a few who run 10's but that is only after heavy modification and those cars are by no means daily drivers.

I hate to spout magazine knowledge, but read MM&FF lately? Murillo's white GT? I know he drives that car every day, and he's gone 8's with it. A new corvette is a bolt on blower away from 10's. A new stock Z06 should run 10's with a handful of bolt ons. I know MANY local people here with true daily driven 11, 10, and 9 second cars.

Honestly, what he said was a pipe dream, but don't try and give people advice or help when you really don't know a whole lot about what you're talking about.

[tturnpaw]

LOL im gunna shit my pants readin this. I think this guy has just watched 2 Fast 2 Furious 2 many damn times! Dude if u wanna c a 800HP car on street gas watch the movie Tekademics Gumball 3000. the skyline on there has 3 FUEL TANKS and has 2 fill up every time those Ferarris do. Im also thinkin u havent ridden in a car over 450-500hp. i have and u can easily shit ur pantys over that. im guna turbo my mustang with around 900hp but its guna b parked in my garage. gas prices around here will debt u b4 u can drive the car 100 miles. i dont doubt u can build the power or that its the right thing 2 do, but ur guna hit the gas around a corner and lose it and kill urself. take a trip 2 steeda.com 4 some suspension tips. ur guna need that more than aerodynamics or whatever ur trying 2 say so u can sound smart. 1600hp= methanol, OR 120 octane fuel. nice try dude.