Serious help...

[threedd97]

Alright. I have a lot of money at stake here.

I just went to a local stereo store that I pretty much trust and have been using for about 10 years now.

Here is what they recommended for that XXX 15"
Planet Audio AP500.2 (the one they showed me was rated on paper at 2250W, not sure if the one I listed is the same one) ($750)
200W Alternator ($400)

Pioneer tweeters and Pioneer REV series, 6.5's and 6x9's. The 6.5s were like $300 a pair, I forgot the model and for all of those pioneers, but they were all high end.
1000W 4 channel amp for all of the mids / highs.
They said I wouldn't even hear my mids and highs with this sub if I didn't get a nice front stage setup like this with a 1000W amp powering all of it

4 caps
The box would cost me $300-$400 for 3cf ported @ 28hz

A secondary battery

I'm looking at about $3500. Are they bullshitting me?

[threedd97]

I need the help quick because CarDomain has a GREAT deal on these REV series at $84 for a pair of the 6 1/2's and $99 for a pair of the 6x9's.

[AndonD454]

haha yes absolutely they are bullshitting you.. almosty all local car audio shopes will. I suppose thats just how much they sell stuff for.. but i guarantee you that you can probably knock about a grand off of the price they gave you..

i dont know as much as i should about proces and where to find stuff for the cheapest.. but im sure by tonight a few people will have good suggestions

basically, from the beginning, i dont think many people recommend planet audio amps since theyre made by boss (i think?).. and even if not, 2250 watts is way too much, unless this is a max rating.. if this is RMS it will fry the XXX if any little thing isnt perfect. youre probably going to need more like 1200-1500 rms at the most.
2) i dont knwo that the alternator is necessary.. its probably a good idea but either way i think $400 is a little much
3) if theyre trying to sell you the speakers for 300 why wouldnt you buy them for 100 from car domian?
4) 1000 watts for front stage? way too much.. but again if this is a max rating it might be ok.. tell us which ratings are max and which are rms its a big difference
5) the caps arent necessary. it would be a waste of that money
6) 300-400 for a ported box? thats like 10x the amount for materials.. they must be lookin for a serious profit cause 200 is kinda high even.
7) 2nd battery? maybe... but youre probably better off just replacing the one you have with a yellow top.. i dont know if youll need the second one.

[threedd97]

Then why would they lie to me like this? I mean... that's outrageous.

[AndonD454]

well its not so much lying.. its just the rediculous difference in price from what retail shops sell to what you can find on the internet.. i mean most people here buy stuff like 25-50% off what those shops would sell the smae stuff for just cause the internet is cheap.

as far as the other stuff... caps are reccommneded prolly cause the help keep the current to the subs strong.. but its really nothing that great.. definately not worth one or $200 a piece.. and why not just go with a 4 farad cap rather than four singles? are they trying to squeze every last penny out of you?..the box is so much probably just because they dont want to build it or they just think its a pain in the ass?? i dont know maybe they just figure people dont want to spend time themselves but either way its not worht that much... and finally the amp wattage they reccommended was probably max power... this would make the most sense to me..

[threedd97]

The sub is 1600RMS 2500Max.

[AndonD454]

Originally Posted by threedd97

The sub is 1600RMS 2500Max.

yeah i knew that i was actually asking abotu the amps... which you might not know.. but if you do know the rms ratings gor the amps it would be better cause im just gonna assume those other ratings are max

[aznxthuggie]

u can find the rev components for under or around $150 online, and the 6x9 for even less, ebay will probably do it

and do u mean a 200amp alternator?

and i duno about you, but for $3500 i can build whatever the hell kinda system i wanted to, with that kinda money u can do WONDERS

lets say for example...
$300 head unit
$200 decent front components.. maybe even $150
$200 amp for front components
$400 sub
$400 sub amp
$150 for everything else wiring, deadening.. etc etc still under 2k

and well i wouldn't get back speakers, just my preference

[threedd97]

What about the power draw from my battery? Let's be realistic here. I have a 110 amp alternator and a piece of shit battery from walmart. Is an Optima Yellowtop really going to do the trick?

[threedd97]

Also, as far as component speakres go, how does Pioneer REV's perform? Would Infinity Kappa's or maybe Adire Koda's be better than the Pioneers?

[Mannyb18b]

110 amps is alot, what are you talking about. And a Yellow top with 110 amps and uprgraded "magic 3" should be plenty

[AndonD454]

ask sr20.. hes on an 80 amp alternator with a yellowtop i think and he just upgraded his big three and says he doesnt have a problem with power draw until he turns it up so loud he cant stand to be in the car. and im sure he has 2000 rms easily.. and i dont see you getting much more than about 2000 rms with a good sub amp and speaker amp

[Mannyb18b]

The pioneer rev's will give you the best midbass for your money

[AccordCD7]

First of all what are you trying to accomplish? Are you going for sound quality, spl, or just trying to upgrade and get a nice sound?

[aznxthuggie]

yea 110 amps is alot, just do the magic 3 or big 3 or whatever u want to call it

if i were you i would also upgrade the battery, optimas are good

i was running 800rms (non class d) on an 80 amp alt with nothing else, it was barely dimming

and just to let u know, i didnt have the rev components, i had the coaxials, but they weren't that impressive, i would choose the kodas over them any day (just out of pure hype!) and the infinities would be better, i was considering either the kappas or the revs, and got the revs because it cost less lol

also the pioneers have weak power handling, but they can take a lil more than it states, i was running around 90rms into the 60rms speaker for a long time

kodas will definitely do the trick, the RE comps should be pretty good also

also in the case that u do go for the pioneers, the rev series (or the higher series which isn't sold in the US) should be the only pioneers u get, the ones below that imo are pure trash