Marine: Guilty or not?

[Schister66]

Read the story of the Marine in the other thread and post what you think.

[YogsVR4]

I closed this thread before the original poster had finished making the poll.

I was to quick on the trigger - my apologies.

[T4 Primera]

Why isn't there a choice that says:
"I don't know - let the court review the evidence because we only have part of the story"

[fredjacksonsan]

It may not have been right, but stuff like that happens - Every. Day. In a war.

[TRD2000]

Originally Posted by T4 Primera

Why isn't there a choice that says:
"I don't know - let the court review the evidence because we only have part of the story"

ditto. can it be added? in reality we can't judge just yet. unfortunately as everyone becomes more polarised they will tend to express themselves by proclaiming innocence or guilt rather than judging the situation. The guy will be an example, unfortunately it will be more a reflection of policy and a statement than a fair and relative trial.

[YogsVR4]

It can be added, but I'll leave it to the thread starter to say if he wants it or not.

[Schister66]

I started the poll, but have no clue how to add that so if one of the mods could add that, i'd appreciate it. Thanks

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Schister66

I started the poll, but have no clue how to add that so if one of the mods could add that, i'd appreciate it. Thanks

Happy to oblige,and not just because it's the only logical answer.


Posted by fredjacksonsan -
It may not have been right, but stuff like that happens - Every. Day. In a war.
So we accept bad things because they were poorly judged,just because there is a war on?

Tell me how this is different from say, an armed hold-up where one of the assaillants gets scared and trigger-happy and shoots the cashier? Hell, his plan was only to rob the guy, he didn't mean to kill him.

[Muscletang]

If I remember right from the video, the marine gave the guy a warning or something. The rules of engagement state you must warn somebody before you open fire. The marine gave warning, the guy didn’t obey, and the marine killed him. He’s not guilty in my book and shouldn’t be in trouble.

I’d also like to say that we shouldn’t even be debating about this. Video cameras were not meant to be in battles or stuff like this. As much as people want to know, they shouldn’t know what marines do on the field of battle. The thing is that we got stupid pricks (ACLU) pointing their fingers at marines in these tapes saying “this isn’t right”, “you shouldn’t do this”, and “what you’re doing is wrong.” These people have never served in the military, been in a battle, or know anything about what these people go through. It’s men like this who gave their lives so they could go around preaching their crap. I say they should shut up and let these guys take care of business so they can get out of there a.s.a.p.

[Schister66]

Hey thanks taranaki for fixing that poll for me.

[T4 Primera]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

If I remember right from the video, the marine gave the guy a warning or something. The rules of engagement state you must warn somebody before you open fire. The marine gave warning, the guy didn’t obey, and the marine killed him.

If I remember right, then you remember wrong. I heard no warning.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by T4 Primera

If I remember right, then you remember wrong. I heard no warning.

Well I don't remember a thing about it. All I remember is I thought he said "put your hands up!" or something like that.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

If I remember right from the video, the marine gave the guy a warning or something. The rules of engagement state you must warn somebody before you open fire. The marine gave warning, the guy didn’t obey, and the marine killed him. He’s not guilty in my book and shouldn’t be in trouble.

I’d also like to say that we shouldn’t even be debating about this. Video cameras were not meant to be in battles or stuff like this. As much as people want to know, they shouldn’t know what marines do on the field of battle. The thing is that we got stupid pricks (ACLU) pointing their fingers at marines in these tapes saying “this isn’t right”, “you shouldn’t do this”, and “what you’re doing is wrong.” These people have never served in the military, been in a battle, or know anything about what these people go through. It’s men like this who gave their lives so they could go around preaching their crap. I say they should shut up and let these guys take care of business so they can get out of there a.s.a.p.

Taking cameras into battle is a good thing.The more people see the realities of war, the better informed they are when it comes to choosing whether they want their leaders to commit to it.

I don't patricularly like Ogrish as a website, but it was the first non-arab site that would give me a link to the video.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/us_ma...ah_mosque.html

If you watch it again, Muscletang, you will see that you are mistaken in your memory.Another good reason for allowing cameras into the war zone, they record cruime scene details for later reference.If this is indeed a crime scene,as the footage would appear to suggest, it will be an essential tool in the upholding of justice in Iraq.....and isn't that what Bush is claiming as one of his objectives?

[aloharocky]

I hope he gets off. I'd like to be on his jury because I'd NEVER find a Marine guilty of anything.

[taranaki]

Silly me,I thought the whole idea of having a jury was to examine the evidence and reviewing each individual case on its merits.