Still Dumbfounded about tuning

[metalhedskater]

Hey guys i have a few questions that i have because im going to be getting all my shit soon for my car when i get my tax return next year. Ive read contless articels on dsmtuners, here, and even downloaded dsmtuning sheet on dsmtuners.com. Still, i am not grasping the concept of how to tune my car. Maybe because i havent had hands on experience yet, but i just want to know as much as possible before i get serious about this. Thanks in advance guys!!!

My first question is the pocketlogger obviously works by giving computer access to the car, correct?

But of course a pocketlogger is useless without software, like DSM link, and replacing the factory EPROM ECU? In other words, i cant just log onto my ecu without the ECU being modified and software, right? LEt me know if this is wrong.

Next, could i just get a small 16g, supporting fuel mods, etc. and set the boost at say, 19-20 psi, without tuning. From what i read, i have come to the conclusion that this can create problems and destory my engine....with knock, running to rich/lean, etc. Please inform me on this.

Well thats all i have for now....Thanks!

[LandoAWD]

You can log without ECU mods and DSMLink.

Pocketlogger is awesome, but you have to pay. The support is worth it IMO, but you can go the free route if need be.

"Without tuning" should not be in anybody's vocabulary, ESPECIALLY when talking mods and high boost.

[metalhedskater]

[quote=LandoAWD]You can log without ECU mods and DSMLink.

Pocketlogger is awesome, but you have to pay. The support is worth it IMO, but you can go the free route if need be.

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So if i get pocketlogger i can log onto my ecu easily right? But of course i may not be able to do anything, correct? What will happen if i just log on there without ecu mods, DSM link? also, what is the "free route"?

[joemathews]

Pocketlogger, Tunerstein, or any of the other PDA logging programs just lets you read specific data that your ECU is processing. It just plugs into your OBDII port, like a diagnostic tool at Autozone would.

That being said, you can run a 16g with or without fuel mods, as long as you log it. You can raise or lower boost, and log to make sure you are not damaging the engine.

A popular combo is the palm logger and SAFC or SAFCII. The SAFC is the device that actually lets you tune the car, and enrich or lean out the mixture for your car to run optimally. If you get DSMlink, that's all you need, because it logs and allows you to make adjustments at the same time.

I hope this helps a little; I'm just getting started on this stuff as well.

[95ClipseGS-T]

Yea im going through the tunning process rite now, AND ITS A PAIN IN THE REAR.
I got the 16g,55occ injectors, 190fuel pump, Pocketlogger, and S-AFCII.

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...46&cat=0&page=

this is what i bought.

[scottsee]

http://www.pocketlogger.com/
read the fourms, and the "start here: 1g dsm & obdII" at the top of the page. you should pick up a few new things in the tunning sections.

[metalhedskater]

Originally Posted by 95ClipseGS-T

Yea im going through the tunning process rite now, AND ITS A PAIN IN THE REAR.
I got the 16g,55occ injectors, 190fuel pump, Pocketlogger, and S-AFCII.

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...46&cat=0&page=

this is what i bought.

So with the fuel management kit, do i still need dsmlink or am i fine with apexi afc? I still probably need to get my ecu upgraded right? And i also still need to get some software? Because the way i see it is....with DSMlink i have the logger, software, and ecu upgrade? Sorry for the stupid questions, its just i dont understand. Thanks!

[scottsee]

ohh. this is tuning 101 for you isnt it.

[97_3clipse]

if you get the SAFC you do NOT need DSMlink or any olther ECU mods to tune...a pocket logger displays the info and status ...then you use the SAFC to tune ....DSMlink is everything in one program.....ECU upgrades are NOT need to use any of the things above...ECU upgrades do hlep but are not needed....

[joemathews]

You need either:
Option 1:
-a palm PDA with the Pocketlogger program installed
-a pocketlogger cable to hook up the palm to your OBDII port
-an SAFC or SAFCII to make adjustments

--or--

Option 2:
-DSMlink
-EPROM ecu (found in 95 dsms)

Those are your best bets. Option 1 is cheaper, option 2 is more versatile, and generally better overall.

[scottsee]

you really should read all the information on the site i posted. there is alot of good information on there

[95ClipseGS-T]

When are you looking on getting this stuff, sisnt you say around the tax return time. lol I may be in the market for DSMLink and i could sell you the S-AFCII and Pocketlogger and Palm pilot for a good price.

[BoostedSpyder]

tuning is a big word. modding is a better description of the term.


i still haven't done any real tuning on my car. i have adjusted the Profec and taken logs and such, but i have never touched the SAFC2. i leave that up to the guy's that know exactly what they are doing.

i do know what you need to support what and all the little things in between tho. that is the most important. knowing things like you need an FPR with a 255 fuel pump because you will run rich at part throttle. those are the things you need to learn the most. that way when you get up to the actual changing of fuel maps you know what the fuck is going on.

i suppose i could do it myself. it isn't that hard for me now. the pocketlogger forums are great. also RKO for sure is a great one. this place is more of a lighter side of modding spot, but still a great place to find out where to get the in depth info.

[DreDay1984]

yea but i dont see what good a pocketlogger does besides monitor , i personally am in love ith dsmlink

[metalhedskater]

Originally Posted by scottsee

ohh. this is tuning 101 for you isnt it.

Yea when i said i know nothing about tuning....I mean ABSOULTELY NOTHING about tuning, which i why iwant to learn.