need some last minute suggestions

[haymura]

i can't make up my mind on which engine to choose. ive been going through a couple websites that sell engines and most of them seem to have the h22a cheaper than the type R engine. Im just looking for an NA daily rider so no turbos in mind. Im just wondering if the prelude engine will do wonders for my civic hatchback. will it produce the same output or at least close to the Type R engine and is it a better swap than a type R engine?
Also which engine will be better for my hatch given the prelude is a good swap: should i go for the 92-95 prelude engine or the 97-00 prelude engine? thanks for any replies.

[crxlvr]

well the prelude motor is heavier compared to the other motors available, but has great power and torque for its heavy size. it would make a good NA motor. the type r motor is a great motor too, enhanced with special go-fast parts already and is an easier swap than the h22. however the price is ungodly. it too is great NA setup.

[haymura]

yea i just heard from one of my friends that his friend tried to swap a H22 on a civic hatchback and pretty much broke his chassis or mounts, i forgot which one. That's such a shame though, i thought i had a good thing going there with the cheap H22 swap and having a lot more torque and horses on it. Oh well guess im stuck with Type R again with the godly prices. Thanks for the reply man. greatly appreciate it.

[crxlvr]

no problem thats what we are here for.

[haymura]

ok another friend of mine who is more car literate sez it is possible to swap an h22a into a 94-00 civic hatch. you have to, however, move the firewall, and other stuff. now given that fact, what would still be cheaper? getting a Type R engine swap or the h22a? what i mean by this is how much it would be to get it installed by a professional including labor.

[CivicSpoon]

Your friend is wrong, doesn't sound like he's too much more car literate . You don't have to move the firewall for the swap. I don't see how your friend of a friend could have broke the chassis from doing the swap. Maybe he just had crappy mounts that he used (like the e-bay special), and those broke. My buddy has the H22a/Civic swap done for 2 years now and the only problem he's had was the rear mount insert ripping. He just replaced it with a new insert and it's fine. The only modifications you need to do is cut the hole for the shifter bigger, and cut the tranny side mount and drill the small hole bigger; like this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...rannymount.jpg
Honestly if you're getting it installed, it'd probably be around the same price, for the work they'd have to do. If you knew how to do it yourself, the h22a swap would run you around $4,000 maybe a little more for all the parts you'd need. But if you're paying someone to do it, you're going to have to pay for them to do the cutting and wiring. Wiring will be a pain, so if you do go that route, I'd suggest sending out your engine harness to hasport or HCP and have them do it for you (like it costs $350-400).
And a little note, the h22a doesn't weigh a whole lot more than the ITR; definently under 80lbs more. But the way the motor is tilted back creates understeer. You'll need to beef up your suspension to help with this, this is not an option it is a must. Unless of course you don't mind your front shocks and springs being taxed and your tires being worn from bad camber (maybe it's bad toe, I don't know the difference).

[haymura]

thanks civicspoon. that was a good info about H22A. I guess from ur post there ur trying to say that a Type R engine would probably be a little more cheaper to swap than prelude engine. if anyone else has any suggestions pls post some up. these are great info for anyone still finding out pro's and cons of swapping engines.(well at least on hondas) thanks again spoon

[crxlvr]

i agree even though the type r motor costs more at the beginning, the cost to install an h22 will probably outcost the b18c5 in the end. plus for the extra hp and torque of the h22, the cost is not justifiable.