Evolution

[bighauns]

Gonna start something here hopefully :-) What do you think about this statement:


Evolution is Wrong.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

I think this is in the wrong forum.

[supratuner]

I think evolution is an excuse for scientist who dont believe in the bible.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

An excuse for scientist who don't believe in the bible. Theres an ignorant statement. Evolution is a proven fact among other species. Its real. Scientists just haven't found our missing link.

[bighauns]

Why is it real? Why is it not?

[speediva]

Moved.

[publicenemy137]

evolution - check out muller's experiment. He took a batch of flies and used x-rays on them, they became mutated and such. Then he made em breed with normal flies, what came out are mutated flies, which means evolution is possible. read this: http://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution.htm

and learn about evolution

[supratuner]

I believe in the word of god, and going along with the bible, I believe that our world is only about 7000 or so years old.

There is no missing link, there will never be one, and we will see the end of the world pretty soon.

Im not saying Evolution isnt possible. Im sure some animals have evolves some what, but to say Humans came from a form of ape like creatures to me pretty dumb.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Its a little strange that a chimp and I almost have the same exact DNA, about 99%. Who knows, maybe we did evolve or maybe a God just dropped man onto this planet. Only the future will solve this question as in your end of the world or scientists gaining more knowledge.

[bighauns]

Just thought I would throw a little something out there...

Evolution is based on Macroevolution, not microevolution which is said to exist by all (example: different sizes or shapes within a species)

Therefore mutations are obviously required in order for evolution to occur, and in fact, they would have to be good ones.

Dr HJ Miller won a Nobel Prize for his work on mutations said: "All is entirely in line with the accident nature of mutation that extensize tests have agreed in showing that vast majority of them detrimental to the organism in its job of surviving and reproducing...Good ones are so rare we can consider them all Bad"

Putting aside either good or bad mutations, lets just look at mutations in general. The probablity of getting five mutations (Good or Bad) in the same cell has been calculated to approximately 1 in 10 to the 22nd power. That is 1 with 22 zeros after it. If we had a population of 100 million organisms with a reproductive cycle of one day (not nine months, like ahuman) the event that five mutations would be expected to occur onces in every 274 Billion Years. That is only 5 mutations, not the millions required for evolution.


Just thought I would throw that out...
More info to come in the future

[supratuner]

I had a tape that a preacher made one time talking about all the scientific evidence towards the creation and that the world is only 7000 years old. Theres a lot. A whole lot.


One question, if the world was billions of years old and normal humam beings have been around for more than 10,000 years according to evolution, why isnt our population bigger than it is?

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

the reason may be because when humanity was first starting out the survival rate was low.

[supratuner]

still, 10000 years ago, it should be higher then the present number today.

But if you say that it came from 2 people, multiplied, a flood about 5000 years ago wiped out the entire population but 8, they reproduced, it can easily account for the present number. Also that can account to how the dinasours died out. Why we have fossil fuels. Why we find shark and fish skelatons in the middle of Ohio. so on and so forth.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Anyway, the earth is a helluva older than 7000 years old. Think about it, when man was first making his own in the world there was no technolgy, no medicine, no doctors, no fast food, nothing. Man had to hunt and gather if he wanted to eat. Early man did not produce his own food, meaning herding cattle and farming. Way back then survival of the fittest was the motto. But there could be soo many factors about why our current population is so small or big that its not even worth debating about since neither of us are experts in Western Civ.

Read this article on evolution.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evol...efinition.html

[bighauns]

In regards to your DNA comment:

DNA is one of the most informations rich carriers known to man.

1 teaspoon of it is capable of carrying all the information in all the computers in the world with enough room left over for all the books in the library of congress.

the ATCG code of DNA is a four level code with 3 compare/corrent codes. It is capable of carrying an enormous amount of information forward without actually loosing the information. In comparison with computer code; it is 10 to the power of 16 times better than the very best computer compare/correct code today.

DNA is made up of protein, which is made up of amino acids. The average protein is a chain of 500 amino acids, DNA being longer. Keep that in mind.

The total number of nano seconds (one billionth of a second) in 20 billion years is one in 10 to the power of 26. The probability of a random combintaion of a 40 chain amino acid (not 500!) is 10 to the power of 141!! If a recombination occured every NONSECOND (not possible) it would take 108 Billion years.

The probability for 1 specific gene actually working in DNA within a 10 billion year time frame is one in 10 to the 90th power. The probabily of 100 specific genes in 10 billion years is one in 10 to the 3000th power.

The probability of a random recombination of a cell that has been completely diassembled has been calculated at one in 10 to the power of 10 billion

A man named Dr. Coppedge "applied all the laws of probability studies to the possibility of a single cell coming into existence by chance. He considered in the same way a single protein molecule, and even a single gene. His discoveries are revolutionary. He computed a world in which the entire crust of the earth - all the oceans, all the atoms, and the whole crust were available. He then had these amino acids bind at a rate one and one-half trillion times faster than they do in nature. In computing the possibilities, he found that to provide a single protein molecule by chance combination would take 10, to the 262nd power, years." (That is, the number 1 followed by 262 zeros.) "To get a single cell - the single smallest living cell known to mankind - which is called the mycroplasm hominis H39, would take 10, to the 119,841st power, years. That means that if you took thin pieces of paper and wrote 1 and then wrote zeros after (it), you would fill up the entire known universe with paper before you could ever even write that number. That is how many years it would take to make one living cell, smaller than any human cell!"


Some probability statistics