WHY are koni yellows better for lowering???

[1993HondaCivic]

people on this forum always say how tokico's, kyb's and even koni red's are not too good for lowering. but people say koni yellows are better for lowering. has anyone ever asked why? guys at the shop i go to say tokicos are fine for lowering. to me, it seems that the koni red and koni yellow are the same except the yellow is height adjustable and may be a little stiffer or something. the two shocks are both the same lenght so wouldnt that mean that they both have the same travel range, whether they are used on a lowered car or not. can someone clear this up
thanks

[buh_buh]

I don't know if any of these struts are better or worse for lowering, but I think its just all a matter of ride comfort and personal preference. Koni Yellows have an awesome ride, and that is what I would prefer.

[CivicSiRacer]

Koni Yellows are better cause they can handle the higher spring rates of coilovers. I had Skunkworks coilovers on Tokico Illumiunas and the shocks blew in a year. The Konis are valved more aggresively to handle the higher spring rates.

[j.fuggi]

Originally posted by CivicSiRacer
Koni Yellows are better cause they can handle the higher spring rates of coilovers. I had Skunkworks coilovers on Tokico Illumiunas and the shocks blew in a year. The Konis are valved more aggresively to handle the higher spring rates.

i've got illumina's and i have had neuspeed race springs on them now. its been fine so far. i'm getting ground control coilovers. will i have any problems you think?

[-=Evol90Accord=-]

but how is the ride with koni yellows and gc coilovers vs say... stock? believe it or not, of all the lowered cars ive ridden in, none of em were done very well and they all were stiff, bouncy or just hard to ride in.

I just want to know what to expect if I get koni yellows, cuz my ride sucks with stock struts. its not bouncy, its just really stiff (as in a block of cement would prolly do better for ride comfort).

[toolowintegra]

a block of cement eh? hahah, well if you want a comfortable ride then lowering should not be on your 'to do' list, cuz any way you do it it's be more stiff than stock, you'll have less shock travel distance, it's just the science of the game

[drift]

Originally posted by toolowintegra
a block of cement eh? hahah, well if you want a comfortable ride then lowering should not be on your 'to do' list, cuz any way you do it it's be more stiff than stock, you'll have less shock travel distance, it's just the science of the game

proper lowering of a vehicle includes shortened piston struts.. which feature close to oem piston travel.

[-=Evol90Accord=-]

hate to say it, but the reason i lowered my car was for looks, not comfort (or performance for that matter). I would like the best of both worlds, hence the reason for asking the question.

and maybe a block of cement is a little extreme. Maybe just a hard piece of wood

[super 96 accord]

I have ground controls on tokico illuminas (I think that's the 5way) for about two years now. I think my front shocks are finally giving on me. They squeak like crazy sometimes. But the ride is still good though.

[Dezoris]

Like CivicSiRacer stated, and to add to it, you lowering springs that offer drops over 2.5" are almost always race springs, race springs have higher springs rates, which means it takes more load to compress. The Koni is the premiere out of the box shock for this, for any type of really agressive spring and lowering, followed by IMO the Bilstein Sport and the KYB AGX.

What people don't understand about GC or other sleeves is that, when you raise and lower the car with them, you are doing nothing to the spring, all you are doing is moving the shock body up and down, and when you lower the car (move the shock body up) you are reducing the shocks compression stroke, when mated to the wrong shocks, which IMO is almost all of them you are actually decreasing your suspensions effectiveness, and ruining your shock. If you want an adjustable suspension you need a real coilover kit with threaded body shocks designed to compensate for lowering or decreasing travel.
If your goal is just to slam your car just use your stock shocks it will be cheaper and hopefully you will blow them so you will ride on all spring
Another issue is saftey, faulty dampers can cause dangerous handling conditions when you have to slam on the brakes or even make an emergency manuver.

Get it?

[OG20]

what are good spring rates that balance well with koni yellows set rate of compression?

[92 Teg-B18A]

I've heard GC makes a set of adjustable coilovers specifically designed to be used with Koni Yellows

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by 92 Teg-B18A
I've heard GC makes a set of adjustable coilovers specifically designed to be used with Koni Yellows

No they just send you adapters to fit the GC coilovers on Koni Yellows. Konis are thinner in diameter than most aftermarket shocks.

[RedRocketGSR]

Ok..i got a question too....Do the Koni Yellows work with any coilover or do they only work for specific ones? Thanks for the info.

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by RedRocketGSR
Ok..i got a question too....Do the Koni Yellows work with any coilover or do they only work for specific ones? Thanks for the info.

They should work with any spring or coilover - just make sure when ordering Konis you mention what spring you are using it for.