hmmmmm......V6?

[vette_7t9]

Well.......here i got with another random question:

The last generation V6 had 190-193hp on it. Now.....a 1985 fox body has around 200hp? which one would be faster?? The V6 cuz its lighter? HOw bout comparing a fox body GT with the current 210hp V6?

:S

[StangNut86]

fox car would be faster cuz it's a v8 and makes a ton more torque (300 ft-lbs). it's also a lighter car since it has less sheetmetal.

fox GT 5spd vs fox4 v6 = owned.

[eillob]

Now you see, that pisses me off. 94-95 mustang GT rolled of the showroom floor with a measly 215HP which was down previous years of 225. Now there cranking out V6's with 210hp? Im sorry but that's total bullshit.

Now I know many of you are going to say well its a new and improved motor. Sorry I aint buying that either. With all the aftermarket crap out there you can't tell me that Ford could'nt have come better than 215hp. E7TE heads, give me a break these heads shouldn't be on go carts let alone Mustangs.

[MARS]

Originally Posted by StangNut86

fox car would be faster cuz it's a v8 and makes a ton more torque (300 ft-lbs). it's also a lighter car since it has less sheetmetal.

fox GT 5spd vs fox4 v6 = owned.

ACTUALLY A STOCK 1985 GT PUTS OUT AROUND 210 HP AND 265 LB/FT TORQUE WHERE THE 2005 V6 PUTS OUT 210 HP AND 235 LB/FT OF TORQUE.

85 FOX GT VS. 05 V6= CLOSER RACE THAN YOU THINK!!

[MARS]

[quote=eillob]Now you see, that pisses me off. 94-95 mustang GT rolled of the showroom floor with a measly 215HP which was down previous years of 225. Now there cranking out V6's with 210hp? Im sorry but that's total bullshit.

YOU SHOULD BE EVEN MORE PISSED WHEN FAMILY SEDANS AND SUVS ARE PUTTING OUT 300+ HP, AND THOSE SEDANS ARE V6'S. IMO, IT TOOK TOO LONG FOR THE GT'S TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS!! BUT HEY THAT'S WHAT THE AFTERMARKET IS FOR!

[Future303]

Now I know many of you are going to say well its a new and improved motor. Sorry I aint buying that either. With all the aftermarket crap out there you can't tell me that Ford could'nt have come better than 215hp. E7TE heads, give me a break these heads shouldn't be on go carts let alone Mustangs.

I agree, but for some reason it's always been like this. I think the major reason for it is simply for Ford to make the Mustangs more affordable, and yet appeal to the "V8" crowd (So many people think right away that V8 = Power and go out and buy a V8 with no clue whatsoever what its capability is)

I bought my car bone stock and I knew the limitations of it, I've been doing the standard bolt on upgrades and so far I'm happy with the progress.

[vette_7t9]

well to anser u power hungry guys........

have you ever wondered why a stang was sooo cheap? u look at an integra and the price tag is north of a stang's, yet it has less hp. The mustang is essentially a sports car for EVERY1. Rich or poor. Not restricted to the reaches of the rich. If ford wanted to, they can make a 450hp 50,000 mustang GT......im sure many want that, but how many ppl can actually afford it? It would put the mustang up in the supra category. Furthermore, with fewer customers, the stang would not carry the image it has now......a car which every1 can relate to, as a car they drive daily, or a realistic dream car. So making a super priced sports car, the mustang will just die out.....much like the supra and skyline.

Now back to the V6 horrible headers...yes i think thats why the base car is so dirt cheap and theres aftermarket so you can custom your own cars.

And i think maybe a stock to stock, a V6 of 2001 may own a V8 of 1994.....just because i think the V8 is much heavier with only 15 more hp?

[eillob]

OK vette7t9 you raise some good points. I agree the mustang was made to be affordable for everyone. It just seems to me like they went out of they're way to screw up the 94-95 models. I mean they went down in horsepower, the computers used in them were the worst of any model ever produced. The computer itself was programmed to rob horsepower. Then there are 1.74 intake / 1.46 exhaust valves? I mean Im not asking for aluminum GT40 heads from the factory but give us something. After all we now have a heavier car and a motor thats struggling to make power. I think they could have just done better in the horsepower dept. 215 hp on the fly and maybe 190 at the wheel is just pathetic.

Even now, you can run right out and buy this new GT with 300hp out of the box for less than $25 grand. Thats affordable, my point being is that if they can do it now they sure could have done it then.

[RocketStang911]

Originally Posted by vette_7t9

And i think maybe a stock to stock, a V6 of 2001 may own a V8 of 1994.....just because i think the V8 is much heavier with only 15 more hp?

A 94 gt mustang has 25 more hp not 15.It also has around 60lb/ft tq more then the 01 v6 and the cobra has even more.So no, an 01 v6 will not "own" a v8 of 94 it will lose to both the Gt and cobra stock.

[RocketStang911]

Originally Posted by eillob

OK vette7t9 you raise some good points. I agree the mustang was made to be affordable for everyone. It just seems to me like they went out of they're way to screw up the 94-95 models. I mean they went down in horsepower, the computers used in them were the worst of any model ever produced. The computer itself was programmed to rob horsepower. Then there are 1.74 intake / 1.46 exhaust valves? I mean Im not asking for aluminum GT40 heads from the factory but give us something. After all we now have a heavier car and a motor thats struggling to make power. I think they could have just done better in the horsepower dept. 215 hp on the fly and maybe 190 at the wheel is just pathetic.

Even now, you can run right out and buy this new GT with 300hp out of the box for less than $25 grand. Thats affordable, my point being is that if they can do it now they sure could have done it then.

I agree....and I think they could of least tried to match the hp with the firebird/camaro.

[burly94gt]

Originally Posted by vette_7t9

well to anser u power hungry guys........

have you ever wondered why a stang was sooo cheap? u look at an integra and the price tag is north of a stang's, yet it has less hp. The mustang is essentially a sports car for EVERY1. Rich or poor. Not restricted to the reaches of the rich. If ford wanted to, they can make a 450hp 50,000 mustang GT......im sure many want that, but how many ppl can actually afford it? It would put the mustang up in the supra category. Furthermore, with fewer customers, the stang would not carry the image it has now......a car which every1 can relate to, as a car they drive daily, or a realistic dream car. So making a super priced sports car, the mustang will just die out.....much like the supra and skyline.

Now back to the V6 horrible headers...yes i think thats why the base car is so dirt cheap and theres aftermarket so you can custom your own cars.

And i think maybe a stock to stock, a V6 of 2001 may own a V8 of 1994.....just because i think the V8 is much heavier with only 15 more hp?

well i might agree w/ you but ive raced my friends anniversary 03' v6...it was close til i hit third and started pushen him hard...

[zx2srdotnet]

what i dont get is Ford puts a 3.0l 220hp v6 in a SHO but only 150hp in a 3.8l v6 Mustang, and 215 from a v8? After looking at the Yamaha motor ford ovbiously knows how to make a 220+hp v6, and 10yrs later the 4.0l is still only at 210hp. The SHO v6 has put ever v6 in a ford since then to shame. it even has more power then the j-spc that probe drivers love

[eillob]

Well I think the SHO is an all together different animal. I think Ford would look real silly putting a Yamaha motor in there all american pony car. Secondly even if they did they would have a tuf time trying to sell the GT if the V6 was putting out more HP.

[zx2srdotnet]

Originally Posted by eillob

Well I think the SHO is an all together different animal. I think Ford would look real silly putting a Yamaha motor in there all american pony car. Secondly even if they did they would have a tuf time trying to sell the GT if the V6 was putting out more HP.

I didn't mean USE a SHO Yamaha motor, but use its design concept to make a SHO Duratec motor.

[vette_7t9]

that would be a great idea. but again......cost? at a sub 20K car....

i guess the cheapest way to make power is to enlarge displacement. there is no replacement for displacement!! cheaper to enlarge the engine than to tune the intake and exhaust, or even chip it.

is it possible to have a sub 15 second V6, stock??