Oil for food

[Tehvisseeus]

Man gotta love the amount of money Saddam was making from France Germany and Russia http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...q_oil_probe_dc

[taranaki]

And you seriously expect us to debate this piece of garbage? It's put out by an administration that is currently running a bloody and unsustainable war with the country that is the subject of the report?

Fuck me dead, if that piece of crap isn't propaganda, then tear up the dictionary and rewrite it.

[Murco]

Originally Posted by taranaki

And you seriously expect us to debate this piece of garbage? It's put out by an administration that is currently running a bloody and unsustainable war with the country that is the subject of the report? Fuck me dead, if that piece of crap isn't propaganda, then tear up the dictionary and rewrite it.

Then WTF are all the left-wing-dribble-links you constantly post on here, hard journalism??!! At least the story is from Reuters, a somewhat respectable organization.
You simply won't allow the possibility that there is at least some justification for the Iraq war, albeit not what we originally expected, not one bit. So why do you still feel the need to debate the subject? We know pretty much everyone's opinion on the subject and the opinions aren't changing....

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Murco

Then WTF are all the left-wing-dribble-links you constantly post on here, hard journalism??!! At least the story is from Reuters, a somewhat respectable organization.
You simply won't allow the possibility that there is at least some justification for the Iraq war, albeit not what we originally expected, not one bit. So why do you still feel the need to debate the subject? We know pretty much everyone's opinion on the subject and the opinions aren't changing....

Not disputing that Reuters is a reputable organisation.They report things exactly as they happen.So when the Senate tables a pile of propaganda, they report that the Senate has tabled a pile of propaganda.However,being good journalists, they don't put too much spin on it.They leave the reader to make up his own mind.If he has one.

There have been many different reasons put forward to justify the theft of Iraq, none of which make any credible sense.

WMD? not there,never were.
Remove Saddam? Done that, move out.
War on terrorism? What Iraqi terrorism? When was the last attack on U.S. soil, and what was the predominant nationality of the terrorists and the planners?
The current slaughter in Fallujah is further proof that Bush doesn't give a fuck abvout Iraqis. He's happy to murder anyone that opposes his puppet government.

[carrrnuttt]

Hey did you hear about this program Bush's friends are profiting from?

It's called Bullets for Blood.

[Tehvisseeus]

Not expecting you to debate the facts naki. If I recall you're the one who said you would believe stuff from a government website, but you wont believe something the government says?

[TRD2000]

Not Saying Its Not True... But It Does Sound Kind Of Whimsical.

something else occurred to me. it may have some truth based on the fact that most UN members were in favour of reducing sanctions on Iraq to increase aid. doing things like substituting "substandard goods with top-grade ones" sounds like a good way to help the Iraqi people. If you would be happy to supply the oppressed Iraqi people with "substandard" goods, then i wonder who is really the one hurting the people. UNLESS you want to make the current administration look bad and look like they are not looking after their people so you can come in and depose them later, look like a hero, and get all the opil you want. Actually I am SURE it's true, I'm SURE that those countries were deliberately giving the Iraqi's extra money... or at least it's equivalent in improved aid. Perhaps they made a profit from getting the oil below market price, but this would be offset if they were giving out medicine and food below market price too. Sounds like a good way to get around the sanctions that most countries thought were harming the population of Iraq, a good way to get around what ended up as US sanctions.

[RedLightning]

Of course it can't be true!!!!!! France and Germany and Russia, are angels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the only country that can do evil is the USA. Anything said against another country is just propaganda.

some of you guys make me sick.

[TRD2000]

nup...i'm sure it's true now... changed my post

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Tehvisseeus

Not expecting you to debate the facts naki. If I recall you're the one who said you would believe stuff from a government website, but you wont believe something the government says?

Show me some facts and I'll debate them.Yet again you choose to quote out of context.Immigration schemes on a government website are far more credible that a 'report' released in wartime about the alleged activities of a previous enemy.

Saddam has long since been captured, so this 'report' is superfluous.The only purpose for releasing it in a blaze of publicity is to try and further muddy the truth about Bush's continued presence in Iraq.

[Murco]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

Perhaps they made a profit from getting the oil below market price, but this would be offset if they were giving out medicine and food below market price too..

And you call republicans brainwashed... Are you seriously standing behind this theory?!
The bribery campaign has been well documented and the U.N. leadership is blocking every attempt to release more internal records.
This is the reason the UN, France, Russia, China, and Germany didn't want us in Iraq... It cut their profit margins!! They sold out the Iraqi people for personal gain! And you guys accuse Bush of going after blood-money, who's hands are bloody now?! Oh, smell that?? The stink of hypocrasy is emmenating from the U.N.!!!! I can't wait to see who's ass is on a platter next, and how the anti-Bush crowd justifies the UN's actions! Oops, it already begun in the quote above...
Fortunately, Iraqi's were very methodical about recording all financial transactions (including bribery) and we're finding out more about this scandal every week as we go through Saddam's own records.
Of course this won't persuade the "true believers" that Bush wasn't the evil, greedy, Texas oil man looking for Daddy's revenge, nothing will. So why do I even exercise my fingers over this...

[TRD2000]

note the words "perhaps" and "if" in you're quote.

i never saw that sort of uncertainty in george jnr's claims of weapons and bad men. turned out he was wrong but you don't hold him to it.

if you want people to believe your crap you have to come up with a reason. how much money dd the US make selling WMD to Iraq and how much did they save on field testing.....

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by duckied

Taranaki honestly you make me sick.

Originally Posted by taranaki

The next person who makes a direct attack on another member, or advocates genocide in the Middle East, or breaches the user guidelines for whatever reason,whatever their political persuasion, will be permanently removed from AF.

Comes back from a week off for breaching guidelines and starts right where he left off.

So long,buddy, permanent ban this time.Personal attacks on other members are not permitted, and if I 'make you sick', you are better off staying away.

[T4 Primera]

Murco, since you are so schooled up on UN reports, can you tell me why the US took control of Hans Blix's 12,000 page long WMD report then distributed copies of it to the rest of the UN that were only 4,000 pages long?

I know the answer already, but if you find out why - it'll give you another opportunity to slam some of those countries you name in this thread.

There's a catch though, the US will be one of them and the wrongdoings are much worse than the oil for food allegations.

[Delta Dart]

Originally Posted by taranaki

Saddam has long since been captured, so this 'report' is superfluous..

Please elaborate.