You sick genocidal F@#$s !!!

[T4 Primera]

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackage...4&section=news
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4004873.stm
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FK13Ak04.html

You know who you are. How do you sleep at night?

Bertrand Russell nailed it when he described how support is gained for shit like this:

“If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.” -- Bertrand Russell, Roads to Freedom

[taranaki]

I'll put up the case for the war fans, for a change..


There's a war on, people get hurt.Serves them right for staying in a city full of terrorists.Children who bleed to death during 'mopping up operations' are just whiny little punks,should have fled long ago.I blame their parents,probably too busy smoking bongs and feeding terrorists.If the people of Fallujah didn't want to get caught in the middle of a war, they could have left, or they could have turned the filthy bastard terrorists over to our wonderful boys who fire every single round with pinpoint accuracy.

It's difficult and dangerous task liberating people who don't want us in their country, and if a few of them die when we bomb the fuck out of their homes, well, they were just careless for staying there.


shit,I feel dirty just saying stuff like that.So glad I'm not enough of an ignoramus to believe it.

[RSX-S777]

Can I get a "Yee-haw!" from the Republicans on this one?

[carrrnuttt]

Great.

More recruitment tools for the untouched Bin Laden and Zarqawi.

I am fucking sick and tired of this shit.

[Pewter'01SS]

I don't like this war and I don't agree with it, but I do not hold the troops responsible. "People being shot in cold blood in the streets", "Families are burying children", "complete families being killed under the rain of bombs being dropped by American forces". This story echos the "baby-killer" chants my dad had to endure when he returned home from Vietnam. 99% of the troops my dad served with did nothing close to what was said about them. However the entire nation held a grudge. I just hope that we don't have a new generation of kids that spit on returning troops.

[T4 Primera]

Originally Posted by Pewter'01SS

I don't like this war and I don't agree with it, but I do not hold the troops responsible. "People being shot in cold blood in the streets", "Families are burying children", "complete families being killed under the rain of bombs being dropped by American forces". This story echos the "baby-killer" chants my dad had to endure when he returned home from Vietnam. 99% of the troops my dad served with did nothing close to what was said about them. However the entire nation held a grudge. I just hope that we don't have a new generation of kids that spit on returning troops.

It is interesting that you make a comparison with Vietnam - as there are many who maintain that there is absolutely no way that this is a repeat of that theatre.

As for the war crimes thing - I can only provide you with this example of courage http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/uavnery57.htm

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by Pewter'01SS

I don't like this war and I don't agree with it, but I do not hold the troops responsible. "People being shot in cold blood in the streets", "Families are burying children", "complete families being killed under the rain of bombs being dropped by American forces". This story echos the "baby-killer" chants my dad had to endure when he returned home from Vietnam. 99% of the troops my dad served with did nothing close to what was said about them. However the entire nation held a grudge. I just hope that we don't have a new generation of kids that spit on returning troops.

I couldn't agree more.

[T4 Primera]

There are people burying loved ones (who died NEEDLESSLY) in the back yard, or unable to bury them at all - having watched them die from treatable injuries and diseases - because they were denied access to basic facilities.

Yet many are more concerned about name calling.

[DGB454]

Concerned about name calling? That's all you think it's about?

[thrasher]

It's weird to think that I am in the minority of people who don't hold the value of human life outside our country very highly. Funny that unborn babies may soon have more priority than adult human life in foreign countries. We have already killed 16,000 innocents in Iraq, and there is no end in sight. I would never spit on our troops for what they do, they are put up to it by an evil person. It's not ok, and it will never be ok.

[T4 Primera]

Originally Posted by DGB454

Concerned about name calling? That's all you think it's about?

In comparison with genocide? yes!

How concerned will you be about it when the blowback hits?


Thrasher, did you get that number of 16,000 civilian deaths from here?. Those are based on deaths reported by the press.

Try this one based on an extrapolation of an actual survey carried out by scientists: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996596

The New Scientist one puts it at a conservative 100,000 civilian deaths excluding Falluja - and 200,000 deaths including.

These are the deaths over and above natural causes and illness - although one could argue that many illness related deaths are a direct result of destroyed infrastructure like drinking water and medical facilities.

A quote from the article:
The majority of these deaths, which are in addition those normally expected from natural causes, illness and accidents, have been among women and children

Maybe that's why men between 16 and 60 years of age were not allowed to leave Falluja - to even the numbers up a bit.

[Tehvisseeus]

How is it that when people die during a time of war its considered mass genocide and everyone is pissed, yet when Saddam killed even more there wasn't all of this yelling? http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1017569/posts

[Murco]

Originally Posted by Tehvisseeus

How is it that when people die during a time of war its considered mass genocide and everyone is pissed, yet when Saddam killed even more there wasn't all of this yelling? http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1017569/posts

EXACTLY!!!!!! Do we have any numbers on the kills Saddam posted on a yearly basis?
And just who are the "Sick genocidal F@#$s"? Americans? Soldiers? Or the Jihadists?

[Tehvisseeus]

I don't believe Saddam kept records of who he killed, and we're still discovering mass graves. I highly doubt we will know exactly how many people he tortured and killed.

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by Tehvisseeus

How is it that when people die during a time of war its considered mass genocide and everyone is pissed, yet when Saddam killed even more there wasn't all of this yelling? http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1017569/posts

I see nobody here condoning his actions, Saddam was a piece of shit who killed hundreds of thousans of his own people. What he did was not right, and what we are doing is not right.

T4, I choose to go by the most conservative numbers in a political forum like this, there is no sense arguing over sources of information. Either way, we are killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people...