RE Audio

[AndonD454]

Hey I know almost all of you know how great the XXX is, but does RE put the same great quality into all of their subs? More particularly, has anybody seen or had any experience with the SE and SX models? I know the XXX is worth the money, but im on a heavy budget (about 1000 incl. speakers, alternator/battery, amp & sub(s) if poss.) and the price tag for a XXX 15, although very good for such a great speaker, may be a bit much for me (unless none of you suggest going with anything other than the XXX). If the SE and SX dont turn out to be so great, i might be willing to spend the extra cash for the XXX, but i would like to stay under 350 if possible. thanks


Yeah and i know $1000 (actually more like 6-700 after the other stuff) isnt much to work with but bear with me thats about all i have.

[sr20de4evr]

their other models are very good, they aren't as SQ-oriented as the XXX is, but they're still very nice subs.

[AndonD454]

Thats fine with me. In fact, because im new to audio i would rather have more SPL than SQ because im still ignorant to what great subs sound like. For the time being (or until i learn better) i care more about having a loud system than one that sounds crystal clear.

[GSteg]

i had their old 2003 boob cone SE. lets just say i was able to stand on the cone (have picture too. lol) lots of time. hooked it up and it still sounded as if i had never soon on it. but of course i didn't just stand on it, i had to balance myself so that the cone does not shift one way and cause major problems

[CBFryman]

and to add to what SR20 said. the other woofers dont use XBL^2 (which is pantented by adire audio) motors. which doesnt make htem as efficent or able ot hit the same types of excursions. however they are great subs. just stay away from stamped baskets (i think its the SE that has stamped baskets, i know one RE woofer does). they flew and cast are just all around better. look at any quality woofer and you will find a quality cast (or even forged) basket.

[loismustdie]

why are you set on RE, IMO they aren't the best, how about an oz audio me 12, they get really loud, and sound great, and will blend with your speakers very well. and you can get one for 200$ off ebay. definitly best for the money, and if you wanna lil more maybe an IDMAX. i'd prolly go with one of those before RE.

[sr20de4evr]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

and to add to what SR20 said. the other woofers dont use XBL^2 (which is pantented by adire audio) motors. which doesnt make htem as efficent or able ot hit the same types of excursions.

actually it makes them more efficient, and it has no effect on the enclosures they work well in

[CBFryman]

efficent in reaching high excursions with low power. when was the last time you a W7 reaching full excursion with 500w? even my beloved DD takes at least 1500w in the same sized sealed enclosure to reach maximum excursion for a 3515. what i think is retarded on RE's part is the XXX is almost the exact same woofer as the brahma, but brahma only reccomends an amp only as large as needed to reach full excursion in a sealed enclosure and RE states "We would recommend most higher quality amps with 1500-2000W for the XXX." 2000w on a XXX15 in a 4cuft enclosure would be murder to the suspension.
as for OZaudio lover. OZ has nothing, and i mean nothing on the Brahma or XXX in SQ and is a good few dB away in the SPL department.

[AndonD454]

Fryman, its the RE series sub that comes with a stamped basket, and those are $50-75 woofers.. just enty level stuff so i wouldnt be considering those.. im just trying to find a good system for 6-700 bucks.. that is why im askin how the other subs are.. because im curious if the SX 15 would shake my car up enough, then theres no sense in scraping pennies together just to get up to the XXX. I would rather spend about 300 than about 450 if i can still get great bass

[sr20de4evr]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

efficent in reaching high excursions with low power. when was the last time you a W7 reaching full excursion with 500w?

Not really sure what you're saying, XBL^2 gives a higher efficiency, at all excursion levels. And the farther you push it, the larger the difference in efficiency grows (XBL^2 retains its efficiency, on other subs the efficiency gets lower and lower the farther the cone is moving).

Originally Posted by CBFryman

even my beloved DD takes at least 1500w in the same sized sealed enclosure to reach maximum excursion for a 3515. what i think is retarded on RE's part is the XXX is almost the exact same woofer as the brahma, but brahma only reccomends an amp only as large as needed to reach full excursion in a sealed enclosure and RE states "We would recommend most higher quality amps with 1500-2000W for the XXX."

The small differences between the XXX and the Brahma include more windings, more excursion, and a higher power handling on the XXX. It can and will take more power than the Brahma just by nature of their designs. It is nice that Adire tells you how much power you need in each enclosure, but Adire does that with all of their speakers not just the Brahma. That's just how they do things, most companies don't, RE included.

[loismustdie]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

as for OZaudio lover. OZ has nothing, and i mean nothing on the Brahma or XXX in SQ and is a good few dB away in the SPL department.

hold on a second, have you heard an oz audio me? its amazing in the sq department, and is one of the most efficient subs on the market. and keep in mind you're comparing a 200$ sub to a 450$ sub. i bought mine for 170$ brand new, shipped. so you could get 2 oz me 12's for under the price of one brahma or XXX. i'd take the 2 OZ 12's anyday. now, i haven't heard the xxx, and i only heard the brahma on rap songs, so i couldn't put down the brahma's sq, nor could i say it was spectacular, although i'm sure it is.

[Haibane]

Originally Posted by sr20de4evr

Not really sure what you're saying, XBL^2 gives a higher efficiency, at all excursion levels. And the farther you push it, the larger the difference in efficiency grows (XBL^2 retains its efficiency, on other subs the efficiency gets lower and lower the farther the cone is moving).



The small differences between the XXX and the Brahma include more windings, more excursion, and a higher power handling on the XXX. It can and will take more power than the Brahma just by nature of their designs. It is nice that Adire tells you how much power you need in each enclosure, but Adire does that with all of their speakers not just the Brahma. That's just how they do things, most companies don't, RE included.

Adire is a nice company, but Dan can be about as annoying as Loyd at sometimes...

Dan thinks that XBL^2 is the end all to all speakers and refuses to believe there are other ways of reaching the same goal. Oh well, I guess we can't all have our cake and eat it too

[sr20de4evr]

Well BL non-linearities are one of the main causes of distortion in speakers, XBL^2 was invented to give the speaker a flat BL curve, which takes care of that problem (people have known about and been trying to solve that problem for years). Another option is an extremely overhung design, but that has its downsides such as a huge motor, higher inductance, and a limited excursion, unless a custom basket is used (ala w7). I honestly don't know of any downsides to XBL^2, other than the fact that anyone who wants to use it has to pay royalties to Adire which raises the cost. I'm sure some downsides exist, I just don't know them. XBL^2 isn't the only way to a flat BL, but at the moment it is one of the best options, if not the best (if it wasn't then the other companies out there wouldn't be using it when the other options are free).

[CBFryman]

What is funny is that the XXX 15 and a Brahma 15 cost almost exactly the same shipped...how is XXX keeping their price down..hmmmm...oh well. as for OZ lover, agian. you get your 2 ME OZ's and ill get 1 Brahma or XXX 15 and we will both do SPL set ups. 1000w will do me good and i will hit into the mid to high 140's easy. lets say i get 146 with an XXX. and yo uget 140 with one OZ ME. well with the same wattage you getting 2 OZ's will gain you ~3dB. then doubling wattage will give you another 3dB. but i only have to pay for half the amps.

then we will do SQ set ups, and though SQ set ups are hardly hindered by their sub bass stage the XXX and Brahama will over a much more flat responce sompared to 90% of the woofers ou there. the W7 wich is JL's SQ woofer that happens to also be their loudest will give about the same responce but it will take more power and cost twice as much MSRP.

[Haibane]

if you can hit mid 140s with 1000 watts on the new mics, I will be dang impressed. I believe th oz will get louder...

XXX IS NOT A SPL SUB!!!!!!!!

I hit 142 (low 140s) feeding my sub 1500 watts and in a 6-7cube box tuned to just above 50hz.

My goal is 144-146 with this amp, and a few mods, but you are pushing it to get that... on the new mics. I can hit a 146 on the old AC mics, but new stuff wont get you anywhere near that. He will beat the crap out of you with 2 OZ if the box is built right.