4afe to 4age how to do it

[91 Celica St]

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[91 Celica St]

Update:
so far ive firgured out ima need
The head, big port blue top (can use redtop, i might sell bluetop and use redtop, bluetop is for tourqe, redtop is for HP)
Intake manifold off 4age
Exhaust manifold off 4age
4 new fuel injectors, (currently getting 4 al track fuel injectors)
new fuel pump (mabe a whalbro 255LP supra pump)
Apexi (or other brand) fuel controller
And hers the hard thing to find, the right adapter plate...i think i got luckey and found one but ima need to match my head and intake manifold(when i get it) to see what matches up, for those of you that dont know what it is it allows you to mate a different intake mnifold to an engine block


im not sure if the throttle bodys are gunna match up... but im pretty sure they will, ima eventually go with the 4age becuase its 4mm bigger..intake and all that are good to go

if anone has any insight or sees any of these parts lemme know!!

FYI after all this (roughly $300-750 depend if i get new parts or used ones off ebay) im expecting at least 140HP to the wheels... should be somewhere along 160 Hp with the headers (gettting aftermarket header) and i might port/polish the head/ intake manifold when i get it... so hopefuly wishign around 180 when im all done

[91 Celica St]

oh yeah, basically i cant use the big port intake manifold becuase my uce/ vaccume hoses are enquipped for the TVIS system.... Even though i almost bought the wrong adapter plate, i now can just go out and buy the right one...

i think ima sell my samll port, (or return it) and get a big port, id yield more hp with the small port untill i blow it or somehow get above 200 WHP n/A

TVIS: The big port heads, apart from the supercharged 4AGZE's, all use the TVIS (Toyota Variable Induction System) to improve the low to mid range torqeu. What it does is shut down halfl of each inlet port with a set of small butterflys to make the airflowu go into the inlet port itself a lot faster. Certailny, with a stock engine the low end performance is noticably decreased when it's disconnected. The TVIS is operated by a small vacuum powered device that sits under the inlet manfold, and the vacuum source for this is provided by a computer controlled air solenoid, that get's the vacuum source from the inlet manifold. When the engine isn't running, the TVIS isn't working, and so the butterflys are in the open position. When the engine starts, the computer sends a signal to the electrical solenoid, with then passes on the inlet vacuum to the TVIS vacuum solenoid, which then shuts the butterflys. So, if you want to try the engine to see what it's like without the TVIS, all you have to do is to pop the vacuum hose off (and block it) and the TVIS will stay open

[smbius]

IMHO the 4AGE will net you pretty good power but as far as reliability and availability of parts. It gets complicated...especially for the supercharged cousin.

http://www.radcastro.com/Projects/Pr...T2GT4/899.aspx

You should jump in the Club4Ag boards for more information on the 4A engines. They're very resourceful there.

It doesn't make sense to compare the 3SGTE and the 4AGZE since they are both created for different applications. The 3SGE (non turbo) and the 3SGTE have significant differences and the 3SGTE has specific compression configurations just for the CT26. The 3SGE (rare) is the actual 130-140 HP N/A engine is the one you should be referring to.

In terms of potential...the 3SGTE is a more viable option in terms of power potential and reliability....even for STs

the 3SGTE has appeared in Japan Grand Touring Championships (within a Supra...yes...instead of the 2JZ). The 3S has also appeared in the WRC and Super Taikyu.

My articles:
http://www.radcastro.com/Projects/Pr...4/default.aspx

[91 Celica St]

oh im not doubting the potiantial and greatness of the 3sgte, ive just found that if you crunch HP #'s to how much a swap would be plus buying aftermarket parts to yield more HP the 4agze is technically better....to be honest id much rather have a 3sgte 3rd gen but thatsnot really an option to me.... price per HP right now, the 4a(f)ge is a better ...um...price plan

[91 Celica St]

update: again

throddle bodys do match up (from what i can see)

but thers another problem, IGnition...i need to find a new distributor, the 4AFE wont work with the 4age...im probably gunna get a stock 4age with mabe an msd ignition but not sure on that...need more $$$ before i buy much more

[91 Celica St]

damni cant seem to find a small port intake manifold, i cant use a big port and all the ones i find are bigport with tvis

[91 Celica St]

basically im fucked read my post bout thrown rod bearing

[skaterblader23]

I found a website that SELLS/IMPORTS the , i believe, 3rd gen 3S-GTE Engine for 1300$. THis includes the turbo, intercooler(top mount), wiring harness, and transmission .....EVERYTHING YOU NEED!!!!!!

http://www.totaljdm.com/index.cfm/fu...dm_engines.htm

[91 Celica St]

ur gay

this project is basically scrapped i did a mountain run and basicaly fucked the whole motor...my car is sitting on the side of my house while i drive my 65 stang for the time being....i bought a 4agze outta a ae101 beucase i now need the whole motor ill make a new post about the new project

[SigmaProjects]

damn... sorry to hear that.

[91 Celica St]

haha the best part about it is my gf was in the car (she dosent know NETHING even tho i tr to teach her) and both both heard it but she turned and looked at me and said "thats not good" even though i knew what happened immediatly i laughed cuza that

[SigmaProjects]

lol, how did you manage to do that to the engine?

[91 Celica St]

the 4afe bottem end isnt meant to withstand alot of horsepower...i had advanced the timing a little bit and had mods on my car, i probably was pushin 160 HP on a lean fuel to air mixture and was climing a VERY steep hill at about 90 MHP in 3rd gear...and at 149,000 miles thats nto a good combination

[91 Celica St]

put it this way i took a celica gts (92) with intake exhaust headers and ignition HARD as well as a RSX (not R) and a scion tc (all are freinds and had MULTIPLE races

the only one that came remotly colse was the TC beucase it had the supercharger package with low boost haha but it was a girl driver (shes good tho) but im at a 2300 pound wieght with me in the car 160 poudns ive done LOTSA lightening and shes at aroudn 2800 with her (shes a 110 pound asain