The Truth on H22

[robitrice1921]

Ok i have heard some good things about an H22 swap into a civic and how you can gwt them relativley cheap and how they give the civic great power. But then i heard people say well it looks gay in the engine bay because it titls back a little and that there is a huge height difference. Is it worth the apparent ugly lean of the motor but the 200HP that come with it?

[CivicSpoon]

Yes. Don't let the price of the motor fool you, it will cost more to get the motor in the car. Peep this shit out: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...oon/h224dr.jpg
Doesn't look bad to me. Check out the tilt (this is a little exaggerated {aka pic taken at weird angle} because unfortuanetly I don't have a better pic to show the tilt): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Spoon/tilt.jpg

[SiGNAL748]

People who say it looks gay because the engine is tilted back obviously don't know much about cars.

The engine is tilted back for a good reason. To offset the weight of the motor. If the motor is properly installed, the motor should not appear as if it's tilted back. Honda designed the valve cover at an angle so that it looks like the engine's sitting flat, even though there is a tilt.

[CivicSpoon]

Yeah you can't really tell when you see it up close. I shouldn't have even bothered posting that pic, because it makes it look a lot more tilted than it is. If I get a chance to stop out to my buddies house this week I'll try and get a better pic from eye level of the top edge of the front fender.

[superbluecivicsi]

The H22 is awesome. Honda didnt put it in the Prelude for no reason.

An h22 is just not as convienent as any other B or D series swap into a *CIVIC*.

[robitrice1921]

Ya i have heard great things about the swap especially since it gives you 200 hp in a nice light small civic. I wanna swap out my d15 for an h22 in the summer, the motor is relatively cheap compared to a SIR B16A2 that i was going to swap. How much work wopuld it be to do the H22 swap or about how much would it cost? The motors comes w/ everything needed trans, axles, etc.

[Ricochet]

H22's are the best all-motor swap for a Civic, period. For a power comparison, my buddy got 95'ish heavy Accord 4dr with an H22 swap, i/h/e, lowered with rims, and runs right with me until 4th gear where he slightly pulls ahead. I have a B16B with an intake and exhaust in a 2300lb hatchback.

It's worth the money and "tilted look".

[robitrice1921]

how other than the trans, motor, mounts and axles what else would i need? I don;t have the money yet to buy the motor but my neighbor own his own shop and could prob do it for me at a low price to install it, but what i would i need to get to make sure that he has everything need to do the install?

[Ricochet]

You'll need a wiring harness, have fun with that. Also I'm sure there will be little gremlins that pop up during the install, they always do.

[CivicSpoon]

You can send your harness to Hasport and they'll do the wiring for you, I forget how much it costs (think around $350-450). You need to cut the tranny side mount and drill the little hole bigger. You have to cut the hole bigger to mount the shifter (you need shiftlinkage too). You need certain axles, the prelude ones won't work. You need special mounts, I'd recommend www.hcpengineering.com or www.hasport.com . Expect to spend around $4000 or a little more for everything, plus installation. You've got to figure in all the parts that need to be replaced like clutch, flywheel, oil, tranny oil, spark plugs, plug wires, hoses, belts and all the other little things. The little things are what kills you, because they do add up real quick. My buddy spent around $5000, but got the harness from hasport, an upgraded flywheel, clutch, and got the stock LSD.

[97SilverSol]

dont forget the reason they put the h22 in the prelude is cuz the thing is like a freaking whale....
they coulda stuck the b series the prelude and it woulda been like a fat guy on a tri-cycle or they could installed the h series and it was like a fat guy riding a lawn mower.... big diference and they made the right choice..... now to answer your question id go with a gsr motor if your planning on a non-aplicated motor but you could swap in a ls vtec fer cheaper than a gsr and if you plan on turboing it then go ls vtec... id stay away from the h series its 200 lbs heavier which is alot fer the little amount of power your gain compared to the b series but thats just my opinion

[CivicSpoon]

H22 is not 200lbs heavier, don't believe the crap you read on the internet. Go here if you want proof: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550

[GScivic7]

well, the topic title is The Truth on H22 at least we are dispelling all the myths about it here.

[SiGNAL748]

Originally Posted by 97SilverSol

dont forget the reason they put the h22 in the prelude is cuz the thing is like a freaking whale....
they coulda stuck the b series the prelude and it woulda been like a fat guy on a tri-cycle or they could installed the h series and it was like a fat guy riding a lawn mower.... big diference and they made the right choice..... now to answer your question id go with a gsr motor if your planning on a non-aplicated motor but you could swap in a ls vtec fer cheaper than a gsr and if you plan on turboing it then go ls vtec... id stay away from the h series its 200 lbs heavier which is alot fer the little amount of power your gain compared to the b series but thats just my opinion

What the hell are you smoking. What in the world is a non applicated motor. The H series motor is only about 20lbs heavier than a B18. And even then, its mounted with a tilt back towards the firewall to offset the weight that would cause understeer.

[97SilverSol]

my bad.. i swear ive heard it was a lot heavier than 20 lbs and im pretty sure it was on AF but sorry bout that.... ima go tie a rope around my neck and jump off the balcony and if that dont work ill just stand in the corner fer awhile