Forget the E60 M5

TypeS · #1 10-13-2004, 02:56 PM

I want the SL65 AMG!!!!

Straight out of the factory!

http://www.treynor.com/SL65_stock.wmv

I know the quality is kinda bad, but this car is amazing. 738 lb/ft of torque at its best.

RACER D12 · #2 10-13-2004, 03:46 PM

BMW and Mercedes are in a hp war. It sucks though cause most of us people who would enjoy and use a car that fast cant afford them.

Edit:Oh the vids awsome lol

TypeS · #3 10-13-2004, 03:59 PM

Yeah, that thing costs $180K! 604 hp and 738 lb/ft of torque is insane! The 4400 lbs make it slower than it should be. I wonder what the car would run if someone could get it down to about 3800 lbs. It would be in the enzo category.

I just saw a new SL55 AMG last night. It's one of the cleanest looking cars.

Neutrino · #4 10-13-2004, 04:27 PM

And guess what: we discovered in car comparo that they have a SL69 now.

As I said turbo>>>>>>>>na, poly,redneck, tatII feel free to lend us you opinion on that

Just that the E60 will be tuned for much better handling, and its sequential is sportier than the merc auto. They do catter to a bit different crowds.

TypeS · #5 10-13-2004, 04:41 PM

You're right, the M5 will probably handle better but having a 600 hp, 738 lb/ft of torque BENZ is >.

However, BMW did a great job. NA 5L and 500 hp, that's amazing, and it's still just a V10. As a comparison, Viper's V10 engine is a 8.3L and it's a true performance car. You can take the M5 on family trips.

Imagine what they could do with turboed V12. That's getting kind of scary, to think they're coming out with all this stock.

HighRev87 · #6 10-13-2004, 04:45 PM

Just imagine the future...a movie called "oh so furiously fast" comes out leading to a new wave of "street racing" However us regular racer-enthusiasts will mock them for thier sub 900 hp cars. Hah posers.

CassiesMan · #7 10-13-2004, 05:29 PM

Hmmm...what is the SL 65 AMG priced at? With the little research I've done, it looks like this

SL 65, so it has a 6.5L V12. Further, its Twin (I'm assuming thats what bi turbo means) turboed. So its a full 1.5L bigger than the V10 in the E60, two more cylinders, and TTd. But it only puts out 612HP. So its bigger, TTd but only 112HP more.

Now, assuming Type S is right saying that the AMG costs $180k...

The E60 M5 is a NA 5.0L 500HP. It is generally accepted (here at least) that the BMW will be a better handling car. It is also assumed that it will run between 80-90K of the lot. So, with that extra 100K that you save buying the E60 over the AMG, you can make it hella faster than the AMG. Further, you'll still be able to seat four people other than the driver, put skis in the trunk, and look cool while doing it.

I'll take the ///M5, but thats just my two cents.

RACER D12 · #8 10-13-2004, 05:43 PM

TypeS · #9 10-13-2004, 05:46 PM

Yeah, but you can say that about any car. An enzo costs $1 million and you can make a civic faster than the enzo.

An sl65 amg, is an sl65 amg. An m5 is an m5. I'd take the m5 if someone was giving it to me of course over 95% of cars, but if they made me choose, i'd pick the sl65 hands down.

The sl65 runs mid 11s on stock tires, the m5 will probably run mid 12s.

1 second difference at about 120 mph is quiet a few bus lengths.

And don't forget the 240 lb/ft of torque advatange the benz will have over the m5.

CassiesMan · #10 10-13-2004, 05:49 PM

And if I had to pick, I'd take the 5, becuase its more practical, and Mercedes still needed 2 turbos, 1.5L, and 2 more cylinders to make it faster.

TypeS · #11 10-13-2004, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CassiesMan

And if I had to pick, I'd take the 5, becuase its more practical, and Mercedes still needed 2 turbos, 1.5L, and 2 more cylinders to make it faster.

Ok? I didn't say mercedes is better than BMW or the other way around. I just said which car I would pick. And you can't just say it like that. Once you get into those numbers, it's a lot harder to make more power. You can't just take percentages and calculate which one will make more power. After having said that, I do agree that BMW would probably be able to make a better engine than the SL65s, but that doesn't mean that benz has maxed out. They could be working on a 900 hp engine as we speak. Didn't mercedes make that 8-9 hundred horsepower V 12 engine for that chrysler supercar? As far as engines and this crazy german hp war goes, it seems like benz always makes the bigger engine and BMW is playing catch up. And Audi is playing catch up with BMW.

An S2000 makes 240 hp out of 2 liters and 4 cylinders. I'm not gonna say "Honda will make a 480 hp V8, the bmw needs 10 cylinders to make that much power"

CassiesMan · #12 10-13-2004, 05:59 PM

I can say it just like that, because its a BMW v Benz thing. Screw the rest, its us verse them. And I understand that it gets hard to make bigger HP when your looking at bigger numbers, but I would expect more than 612 vrom a bigger turboed engine for 180K. If I'm dropping that much on a car, I would be looking for near 650 numbers. Again, thats just me.

TypeS · #13 10-13-2004, 06:03 PM

And a Ferrari modena has a 3.6 V8 that makes 425 hp and costs as much as that benz.

CassiesMan · #14 10-13-2004, 06:11 PM

Once again, my humble opinion, but the real Pasta Rockets (Ferrari and Lambo) are nice, but compensation...

Neutrino · #15 10-13-2004, 06:47 PM

I seriuoslly don't understand why people use its size and the fact that its turbo against it. The resons for that is to have a very broad powerband. ts a luxury car, and such an engine is far more suited for it. you don't want a hight revving screaming engine in this market segment.

And if anyone has a doubt about the merc's engine potential just take a look at the Chrysler ME 4-12 supercar since its using it.

And people need to take BMW off the pedestal, sure it is one of the best companies, and their tech is amazing. But I'm sure mercedes can match it, its just that their market segment is dedicated to luxury not sport. If you doubt mercedes' potential just look at their racing history and their current F1 presence.

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