where's the oil going?

[TRD2000]

"(The US state) Department announced on Tuesday it would switch $3.4 billion in U.S. funds from water and power projects to boost security, oil output and jobs for Iraqis."

aparently they were "frustrated" with the progress on "rebuilding"... perhaps they just can't get the oil out fast enough?

NOW before the first person comes in here and says oh the oil is being sold and the money goes to Iraq, make sure you clarify some things.

1) how much is the oil being "sold" for? (or equivalent value if oil used as currency without sale)

the current market price is USD$43 a barrel so they should be doing pretty well out of it

2) who decides what the money is used for?

3) a lot of the work being done in Iraq is by foreign countries, if this is Iraq's money why is this the case?

4) how much money is going back out of Iraq to foreign contractors?

....and how much profit will halliburton make, and what's Cheney's share?

[Flatrater]

Your questions are leading to the answers you want to hear. I don't think you are looking for the truth but you are looking for the lies and half truths.

BTW the key is the US funds part. It isn't Iraq money or oil but US FUNDS.

Why don't you save the trouble and just post your answers.

[TRD2000]

and where is the US getting those "funds" from... in the long run

you obviously aren't willing to answer the questions, i think because you realise how obvious these answers are to everybody, and yet you still try and defend these actions, it's bizarre.
The problem is that when you look at it, there is money to be made from iraq, and most of the humanitarian reasons for going there have been disproved, the one that stands, getting rid of hussein is partially obsolete when we see highly advanced and at the moment invulnerable helicopter gunships blasting away at unarmed crowds and media. For every 1 of those american soldiers we hear about dying we hear about like 30 or more iraqi's, and i bet we don't hear about them all, that means that 30,000+ iraqi civilians have died since the US decided to invade their country... I realise that hussein killed a lot too, but how many? in how long?

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Flatrater

Your questions are leading to the answers you want to hear. I don't think you are looking for the truth but you are looking for the lies and half truths.

Maybe he's just looking for a balance to the neverending stream of lies and half-truths coming out of the White House.Fluffy nonsense about 'how much better off the Iraqis are now that Saddam is gone' are not enough to cover up the real motives for this sordid little land grab.

[Flatrater]

Maybe I am not stupid enough to answer the loaded questions!

Naki I agree with you we are going to keep Iraq forever, take their oil for our own, kill every innocent person in Iraq leaving only the terrorists. And Elect Bush for 4 more years.

[2strokebloke]

Your questions are leading to the answers you want to hear.

Or are they just leading to the obvious?

[TRD2000]

I fail to see how the questions are loaded, they are after all questions, they are designed to "question" something.

the problem is like Bush, you don't have, or you won't give, the answers.

if what they are doing is so right then why not tell everyone ALL about it...

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by Flatrater

Maybe I am not stupid enough to answer the loaded questions!

Naki I agree with you we are going to keep Iraq forever, take their oil for our own, kill every innocent person in Iraq leaving only the terrorists. And Elect Bush for 4 more years.

Sounds like a plan...all except agreeing with Naki.

[TRD2000]

so neither of you are actually able to answer the questions huh? ignorant diciples of a stupid leader.

see i have my suspicions about the answers to all the questions, and i admit to not knowing for sure, but i really would like to be informed.

the fact that you guys seem to think the questions are loaded or something makes me think that you guys suspect the same as me... if you don't know for sure i'm right.

if this is such a humanitarian mission... prove it.

prove something for once.

[thegladhatter]

The one who makes the accusations it the one who is in need of proof. I am not accusing anyone of anything. YOU seem to think it is NOT a humanitarian mission. YOU are the one leveling the accusation. YOU are the one to share the proof.

[TRD2000]

the only way to find the truth is to look for it... as i said i have my suspicions... my only accusation is that some people are obviously turning their back on what they see ... personally i can't do that, i have to have a reason, blind faith just doesn't do it for me, if you don't have the answers don't bother posting ... neither you or flatrater bothered answering, but you both posted, flatrater specifically to attack the questions! What is so wrong with wanting to examine what is going on, are we so afraid of the truth? whatever it is.

[Flatrater]

You want answers

1 43 dollars US a barrel. And thats when the terrorists are blowing up the pipelines.

2 The US government and the Iraq governing council. We invaded Iraq and won so its our right to decide what happens. The losing country has no say remember they lost.

3.Its not Iraq money its US money read your first line you admitted it.

4. Who cares how much money Halliburton makes the US is footing the bill. Its our money and you have no right to question how we use our own money.

Cheney doesn't work for Halliburton so he recieves no pay check form them. If he has stocks that is his right to own them since Cheney isn't the one in charge of deciding who gets the contracts.

You are looking for your own answers to your questions, you are not looking for the truth. No matter which way I answer your questions you will say I am wrong even if I speak the truth. So have your fun because Bush will get 4 more years.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

"(The US state) Department announced on Tuesday it would switch $3.4 billion in U.S. funds from water and power projects to boost security, oil output and jobs for Iraqis."

aparently they were "frustrated" with the progress on "rebuilding"... perhaps they just can't get the oil out fast enough?

NOW before the first person comes in here and says oh the oil is being sold and the money goes to Iraq, make sure you clarify some things.

1) how much is the oil being "sold" for? (or equivalent value if oil used as currency without sale)

the current market price is USD$43 a barrel so they should be doing pretty well out of it

2) who decides what the money is used for?

3) a lot of the work being done in Iraq is by foreign countries, if this is Iraq's money why is this the case?

4) how much money is going back out of Iraq to foreign contractors?

....and how much profit will halliburton make, and what's Cheney's share?

I don't see any answers comming from you. All I see is you complaining. You seek answers? Look for them where you may have a chance in finding them. Looking for them in an automotive forum and then bashing anyone who replies unless they agree with you is not really looking is it?
It's called complaining.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by Flatrater

Naki I agree with you we are going to keep Iraq forever, take their oil for our own, kill every innocent person in Iraq leaving only the terrorists. And Elect Bush for 4 more years.

Thats the funniest thing I've read in days

[TRD2000]

sounds like a good business proposition....

1 43 dollars US a barrel. And thats when the terrorists are blowing up the pipelines.

are you assuming that because i said it was market price or did you find it elsewhere?

2 The US government and the Iraq governing council. We invaded Iraq and won so its our right to decide what happens. The losing country has no say remember they lost.

I thought you "liberated" Iraq, so that the people could decide their own future?

3.Its not Iraq money its US money read your first line you admitted it.

The money was approved to rebuilt the services the US blew up. I have no question the money being used currently is US money, but i also have no doubt that it is a loan, which will be paid back through oil, i wonder how the interest will be? however the point of the question was the foreign contractors, why was it not left to the iraq governing body to decide who did the work? Why was it only US contractors?

4. Who cares how much money Halliburton makes the US is footing the bill. Its our money and you have no right to question how we use our own money.

There's more there than just halliburton, by employing all foreign contractors, the money that would have stayed in Iraq, had these projects been carried out normally (still paid for with oil cause thats what iraq's got) is all being taken out of the country, surely this can't be good for their new economy? particularly if they have to pay back all the development money.

I admit the last question was snide... and already had an implied answer, that's why i didn't give it a number. Thanks for your answers.