7sec 3000GT

[TurpsGT]

I've seen 1400bhp 1.8Liter Celicas, and 8 sec supras, even skylines that are achieving 1450bhp from a 3 liter internal combustion engine, why isnt there a 3kgt or stealth in the even in the 9's

the subject isnt about losing weight/mass it should be on developing more horse power, quicker gear setups , timing changes to make it faster and more efficient,
I have a FWD 94 base 3000GT i want to at least look at the feasible side of making this happen
i'll keep posting my ideas

Is there anyone on this site that is curious about it as well ?

-TurpsGT-

[Gateway]

i don't think any of those options will work.

You would need to put so much money in a car to get it to 7.xx seconds. I don't even know if it's possible. The fastest VR4 I've seen is 10.75 @ 135. No VR4 has gotten to 9.xx yet even.

[Thourun]

The way to go is to get a MR 3000GT since it is allready lighter than the VR4 because of less luxury/tech and get it even lighter with more aftermarket/ custom setup. Then your gonna want shorter gears and new forged pistons and other internals made to up displacement and raise redline, then of course work on the turbo setup with the bigger turbos and fule delivery. Thats alot of money since there are gonna be alot of parts that your going to have to have custom fabricated, basically alot of aluminium and carbon.

[TurpsGT]

well i have a 94 base which weighs in at about 3200lbs which is exactly what the skyline and supra weigh in at also so there has to be a practical way to do it
maybe consult some of the 3000GT/stealth performance part companies companies like

Dynamic Racing, DN performance, Horsepowerfreaks.com , maybe their willing to give a partial sponsorship in the venture, but im almost CERTAIN that the key lies in changing the gears.

the first two are quick but the third.. is not suited at all for quickness
thats just the design flaw

3rd gear and 3800lbs in the TT models dont equal quick
I think at least gear change and lighter internals to quicken the snapiness of the Revs should at least show 9's with the same mods

[StealthModifier]

What is it about 3kgt's that make them sooo heavy?

[TurpsGT]

most of that weight come from heavy 30lb chrome wheels , and the rear subframe, its like a metal "X" shaped frame that houses the rear steering rack and pinion, the differencial and the indepenant rear suspension and rear powersteering pump gear

-TurpsGT-

[Thourun]

It's only the TTs and VR4s that are heavy and it's because of the luxury and technology thats put into them like 4 wheel steering, all wheel drive, active areo, and other minor stuff like power sunroof.

[TurpsGT]

I think a really aggressivly geared, highly modded front driver should be able to touch the 9's the weight in the TT 3800lbs, and all that power would be brutal on any transmission.

If we put our heads together we can come up with a set up that works, and go at it our selves or present it to a company that can make it work.

this is the only super car that has never seen the 9's even a chick driving a AT, FWD 2.0 liter saturn has seen the 7's so there's gotta be a way.

(Without at ALL taking any credit from her, for any reason, because female racers are awesome!)

I'm going to study some drag setups, and find out their weight, chassis setup, how they're pulling a grand of horses out of a 1.8 liter etc. I'll let you know what i come up with.
-TurpsGT-

[Hotshot8792]

uhmm, dude, supras weigh just over 3600lbs, they are not that much less than a vr-4, the difference in weight between a supra and a vr-4 is AWD, and skylines are just as heavy as a vr-4

the difference between them and us, is that 3/S owners do not invest a buttload of money to make the car go that fast. There's a supra owner in town who runs 9's and he said he has invested 3 times as much into that car as he paid for it. So take that he paid about 25 grand for his car, he invested 75 grand into it for performance to make it run 9s. Most 3/S owners don't even have to invest the amount they paid for their car to make it go 10s. Dr1000s, Dr stage 3 heads, and supporting mods, probably cost you about 12 grand or so, and lots of time tuning, you have 10's in a vr-4.

[TurpsGT]

well im talking about a 3200lb Fwd base should be able to turn comparable times to those cars, if those mods alone take a 3800lb car to 10's then a simular setup with more aggressive gears should put a 3200lb base in the 9's

[TurpsGT]

Hey, hotshot do you know any of the major mods he's made to his car, and what were the more expensive ones ?

-TurpsGT-

[TurpsGT]

I've been doing alot of reasearching my self and
well
in drag ( I think it was top feul) , but the min weight was 2400lbs and that could include the driver but If we assume that it doesnt; then its about 800lbs lighter than the 3000GT that reduction in weight is acredited to complete tube frames, one seat, no interior( minus steering wheel , pedals, gauges and shifter, y'know the absolute essentials) but because this isnt an absolute must win championship, and there isnt an absolute necessity to run low 4's like these guys are the 800lbs in creature comforts are forgivable

I researched the stealth running 10's it was in the high just below 900bhp and im guessing that since minor turbo mods were all it took to get moderatly lightend 3800lb TT model to run 10's on stock gears, another 2-300hp should get it into the 9's with the same set up.

so i checked into the prostock class where the average hp level is at about 1250-1650hp here other than forged internals and Huge turbo and alchol injection this was just about a stock setup
their man problem was spooling the huge turbo, to get around the problem the use dry nitrous shot into the turbo impeller to get it spinning more quickly,

I have a question
If boost( what these car rely on to make their mosterous power gains ) is only pressurized air, why not run an aircompressor preset to ( for the sake of discussion lets just say) 90psi on forged internals and reinforced block with a pump and injectors that can keep up ?

I mean if traction were a problem just run dualie hooziers on the front?

[Thourun]

You can't run an air compressor because they could never keep up with the ammount of air they would need to compress for the engine to run. it might be feesable to attach a small container of compressed air linked to the exhaust side of the turbo and have it hooked up so that it dumps it all in right before you go full throttle, would be a cool idea but I guess thats what you were talking about with the shot of nitrous lol.

[TurpsGT]

well nitrous across hot exhaust blades isnt Quite what i mean,lol but, actually i think your idea would be better , because the exhaust is a smaller compartment, and with the compressed air going directly across the exhaust blades/propeller it would actuallyspool the turbo a whole lot faster and create and exhaust vacuume which would make it rev alot faster, but the problem would be after the compressor is out of air b/c the exhaust cant keep the turbo spinning that fast you would expierience mid track lag , where the turbo starts producing less boost, and if the compressed air isnt hot enough you could risk cracking your turbo exhaust housing.
but somewhere along those lines is the answer were looking for
-TurpsGT-

[Thourun]

Heh yea the air spewing out would be cold as hell, might be better going in to the engine than coming out lol.