A picture...

[jcsaleen]

Do you think this is true about the U.S?

Vote or post...

[YogsVR4]

I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Moore is an asshole. But, he's also the reason why this country is great. Even morons like him can succeed.

[twospirits]

I'm not getting it either. Theres actually two questions being asked and which have nothing to do with each other.

TS out

[jcsaleen]

Basically what im asking is if it were another country would michael hoore be able to do the things he does?

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

Basically what im asking is if it were another country would michael hoore be able to do the things he does?

NO!!!!

[leadfootGTP]

i agree w/ everything said...and i think that tht cartoon is just very poorly done, amateurish, whoever made it does not have the political sense to see the "big picture" of why our country is great.

[Ace$nyper]

Originally Posted by Flatrater

NO!!!!

I hope he tries in North Korea.

But as Yogs said its a double edged sword he has every right to piss on the US and make a ton doing it. Hes a sleeze ball who turned his beef with the US into "factual documenties" and as much as I hate what he says and stands for I gotta give him his right to say it.

Now if someone remembers who said this please fill it in but the saying goes.

Free speech doesn't protect what you like it protects the speech you hate.

[thegladhatter]

It IS true. He was given the opportunity to do all those things. He DID spit on America...the country that made it all possible.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

Basically what im asking is if it were another country would michael hoore be able to do the things he does?

Yes,there are plenty.America does not have a monopoly on free speech[even though there are those who will tell you to vote for them because the sky will fall down if you don't].But I can't think of any country with such a second-rate President for him to pull to pieces.

My obvious reply would be,is there another country in the world who would ever even consider allowing a murdering scumbag like Bush to stand for re-election?

[Broke_as_****]

Heh...Heres what I like about Michael Moore...hes full of ****

And here is one of the more comprehensive lists I've seen confirming that.

http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/

Just some stuff that shows up:

The book "House of Bush, House of Saud", which Moore relies on as a source for his film, is in legal trouble in the UK - to the point of not being published.

The most offensive sequence in "Fahrenheit 9/11"'s long two hours lasts only a few minutes. It's Moore's file-footage depiction of happy Iraq before the Americans began their supposedly pointless invasion. You see men sitting in cafes, kids flying kites, women shopping. Cut to bombs exploding at night.

What Moore presumably doesn't know, or simply doesn't care about, is that the building you see being blown up is the Iraqi Ministry of Defense in Baghdad. Not many children flew kites there. It was in a part of the city that ordinary Iraqis weren't allowed to visit - on pain of death.

Moore does his best in Fahrenheit 9/11 to present U.S. Congresspeople as wealthy, ignorant aristocrats who send poor soldiers to die in a war zone to which they will not commit their own children.

However, a bit of research shows us that our representatives and senators may not be as aloof as Moore implies:

According to a tally compiled by Richard Aragon and John Rossie, 101 of the men and women sitting in the House of Representatives formerly served in the military. Of these, 17 saw active duty in combat zones. When we consider that there are 435 seats in the House, we see that close to a fourth of them gave a portion of their lives to the U.S. military.

Moore groups the Iraq/Al Qaeda connection under the word "falsehoods".

Iraqi intelligence documents from 1992 list Osama bin Laden as an Iraqi intelligence asset. Numerous sources have reported a 1993
nonaggression pact between Iraq and al Qaeda. The former deputy director of Iraqi intelligence now in U.S. custody says that bin Laden
asked the Iraqi regime for arms and training in a face-to-face meeting in 1994. Senior al Qaeda leader Abu Hajer al Iraqi met with Iraqi intelligence officials in 1995. The National Security Agency intercepted telephone conversations between al Qaeda-supported Sudanese military officials and the head of Iraq's chemical weapons program in 1996. Al Qaeda sent Abu Abdallah al Iraqi to Iraq for help with weapons of mass destruction in 1997. An indictment from the Clinton-era Justice Department cited Iraqi assistance on al Qaeda "weapons development" in 1998. A senior Clinton administration counterterrorism official told the Washington Post that the U.S. government was "sure" Iraq had supported al Qaeda chemical weapons programs in 1999. An Iraqi working closely with the Iraqi embassy in Kuala Lumpur was photographed with September 11 hijacker Khalid al Mihdhar en route to a planning meeting for the bombing of the USS Cole and the September 11 attacks in 2000. Satellite photographs showed al Qaeda members in 2001 traveling en masse to a compound in northern Iraq financed, in part, by the Iraqi regime. Abu Musab al Zarqawi, senior al Qaeda associate, operated openly in Baghdad and received medical attention at a regime-supported hospital in 2002. Documents discovered in postwar Iraq in 2003 reveal that Saddam's regime harbored and supported Abdul Rahman Yasin, an Iraqi who mixed the chemicals for the 1993 World Trade Center attack...

I don't like getting in to politics online but when its about someone who blatantly lies as bad as Michael Moore I like to try and show some of the truth.

[taranaki]

Blah...more cut/paste bullshit about moore

In the RNC this week, they didn't even have the balls to name him when they slandered his film.Why not? Because there are laws against slandering people and the Republicans have NOT ONE SHRED of evidence to suggest that anything that Michael Moore says is not telling the truth.Didn't stop the cowardly little weenies from wrapping themselves in the flag and trying to smear him though.

[Toksin]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Moore is an asshole. But, he's also the reason why this country is great. Even morons like him can succeed.

You say that every time his name appears, Dave, and we know you've met him, so please, from your perspective of meeting him, what makes him a moron?

[Ssom]

Michael Moore's documentaries are no more or less accurate than the "propoganda" put out by the Bush administration. He's basically the propoganda machine for socialists, just like Bush is the propoganda machine for the Republican party. I don't want anyone to make up my mind for me thanks, chances I'll end up voting for the Greens if that happens and we can't have that.....

I mean.... Micheal Moore is SO cool, picking on old guys with Alzhiemers (ala. Charlton Heston) is SO damn cool LoL. In the words of Jay in "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back": "Fuck that fat fuck."


This in no way implies that I am a slave of Mr Bush, I dislike him just as much as I dislike Moore.


That said, I respect the guys wit, Canadian Bacon was great, though that is more credit on John Candy's part. But Moore can be funny when he intends to.

[jcsaleen]

If anyone says bush's proganda was the oil in Iraq you really need to wake up (just making a statement before hand) Bush mission was to get WMD's which I believe there were.

[Jimster]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

If anyone says bush's proganda was the oil in Iraq you really need to wake up (just making a statement before hand) Bush mission was to get WMD's which I believe there were.

Yep, curse those Aliens for conveniently zapping up those WMD's three days before the occupation.....