The RACE to defeat ALL RACES!!

[MAD_C_ZN]

Hey all wassup?

Here's a story involving my Pontiac, my Colt, AND my uncle's
'70 GTO!!!!!!!!!

Ok so since i've last posted here's what i've done:

1. The Colt has had twin superchargers added and high performace
wires and exhaust.

2. The Pontiac has had an engine job.....i bough an old 450 big block
engine with a 4speed auto, rebuilt it, i added a shot of 75 nitro
and Holley ram air.

My uncle's GTO is completely original with the exception of the build
'ups on the engine, it looks very similar to the '68 charger RT on
fast and furious, but without the huge tires on back or the massive air
induction on the hood.

Anyways, so on to the story.

My brother and i were chillin at my place watching the football game on
Sunday, and my uncle calls and says he wants to come watch too. So
he comes by, we have a few beers and finish the game. Afterwards,
we decide we want to go cruisin. Now my brother is only 16, but he
drives stick so i gave him the keys to the Colt, i jumped in the Parisienne
and my uncle in his GTO.

We went out onto Deerfoot trail (3 lane expressway in Calgary) and merged to the road. Next thing i know, my borther calls my cell phone and says my uncle Paul just called his phone (the GTO guy) and says he wants to race from the speed we're going and up to see who's got the best handling vehicle and the who the craziest driver is.

I say sure and we hang up. I no more then put the cell phone down then
my bro in the Colt starts pacing my on the left. My uncle was infront of me, we're in the middle lane, and i move to the right. The 3 of us are neck to neck going about 60mph.

My uncle gets on his horn and blasts *1* *2* *3*!!! And it's on!!

My brother must have put it from 5 to 3 and floored it cuz he took right off to the lead, the Colt was in front, 5 car lengths. The GTO floored it and caught right up. I went from 4 to 2 power shifting and
went right by both of them, shifting up at 8000 rpm! The Colt got left behind, no top end power. So it was me, my uncle, and the 2 Pontiacs
tearin down the road. He was only a door panel back from our front ends to meet, and he started to shoot forward around the big bend, and he had the outside!!!

I dropped from 3 to 2 again and tore past, by now at 113mph. The GTO caught up and started to pull ahead, 5 feet a second....the Bastard had a turbo!! I pulled it to 3 now that we had a 2 mile stretch of straight away and started to gain, but he must have dropped gears cuz his power went up and started pulling away, and i was at 145!! Not to be dismissed, i hit the nitro at 7500 rpm, and threw it into 4th at 9500, WELL into the red line!!

I shot past him, like a Lamborghini to a Civic, and soared on down the road maxing out at 180mph!! i'd never gone that fast in my life! When we all caught up to each other, we laughed at Darren (my bro) for having bothered in my Colt, and i punched my uncle for making me lose 80 bucks on a tank of nitro over his turbocharger.

I had passed him at 170, maxing out at 180, which he was astonished to hear. He figured i was done, as his maxed out at 165.

One way or the other, we talked about it the rest of the night, and damn
i wish had a dash camera to video tape the footage!!

Tell me what ya think peoples!!

Peace! :coolguy:

[fastrThanU]

you gotta get some stuff straight, man. first off, what was the make of your engine? if it was pontiac, the closest displacement to your "450" is a 455. what year was the block, heads etc. and what exactly did you have done to the motor?

what motor/mods does your uncle have in the GTO? i find it hard to believe a XXXci motor with just a 75 shot and an intake would take a non-emissions high output GTO with a modded high compression 400ci or 455ci motor if he's got a cam, exhaust, intake, heads, adn carb, and then lost.... he REALLY wasn't trying.

and, it would be a '68-'69 GTO that would have a similar look to the F&F charger. the '70 model year was a complete makeover for GM musclecars, and don't look even close to the charger.

also, how the hell did a parisienne not shake itself to pieces doing 180. with the stock suspension and construction, it should have not made it past 110.

[MAD_C_ZN]

First, the motor is from an old Chevelle or something, i'm not sure what car i just bought the engine from a guy who was selling the thing. I don't know the heads or any of that, i'm not that in tune with the motoring part of cars, i just know what kicks serious ass.

Next, the GTO doesn't have that many mods on, it's just been spruced up for show and we put it to use.

As for not shakin apart, the Parisienne is a 3 tonne chunk of solid steel which was reinforced when it came off the line because it's an old unmarked police car. Cop tires, cop suspension cop shocks, cop moldings, the thing is a brick wall but it's been modified enough to take serious punishment.

As for exactly what's been done to it, the cylinders have been bored out and rebuilt with performance everything, whole thing was rebuilt to performance specifications, very similar to the barely street legal drag racing muscle cars you see on the TV. I just threw in the mod of the holley air and the nitro as those are the most obvious parts of the thing. The car has been totally decked out, and i imagine i could push it to at least 190 if i really tried, my RPM guage only went up the 7000 marker, and the max it will do is the 9700, which is an engine blowout at the max red line.

Basically, i couldn't specifically answer all your accusations etc. from my knowledge cuz i just told the dudes at RDW Performance what i wanted them to make my car do. And keep it barely street legal. :bandit:

[MAD_C_ZN]

I said the GTO was styled similar to the Charger, not exactly like it. It's a '70, as i was there when he bought the thing. It sounds the same and has the lowered off front end and that which is where the reference comes from. I sell Pontiac, i know these things, trust me.

[carmaster]

Was it a regular Colt or the Colt Vista? Man thats a nice story you wrote there, if its for school then I hope you don't have any car nuts in your class because they will just tear you apart!

Plus this posted was soo stupid I came out of my 7 month pst slump for this:bandit:

[Psman32@af]

I think this is the biggest load of BS i have ever heard. I had a car that was very similar to you Parisienne, a 89 towncar, and i dont see any way how you Parisienne weighs 3 tons. mine weighed just over 2 tons and this weekend I can check and see about what your weight is. With the kind of aerodynamics that car has, you need to have a huge huge amount of power, and if you had enough power to go that fast, you should have been able to pull by the other two cars like nothing. Also i dont see anyway that engine could rev that high unless almost everything has been completely redesigned. You think just that you have a old police car that it is better in handling than a regular one? A police car's suspension for hte most part is close to that of a street car. It is renforced for durabilty, and still not desgined to go that fast. The GTO, I wont really touch, but i dont get why your uncle would put a turbo on it unless he took it to the track very often. I also have a problem with the twin supercharger setup that you have for the Colt. Last I knew, the Colt GT had a tubrocharged 1.6L engine. I dont think to me, it doesnt make any sense to twin supercharge a 1.6L engine. I would like to see a picture or two of the Colt and Parisienne with the parts you mentioned, and if you can find out from the people who did all the work for you, the reason they choose a twin supercharger setup and how they got the engine to rev that high.

[Polygon]

I could not have said it better than Psman.

[fastrThanU]

this story reeks of bullshit. if you don't like getting ripped apart, or seeing someone get ripped apart, DO NOT read any further. i hate to be a dickhead, and like to think of myself as a fair, even tempered guy but some people just have it coming to them. anyways.... here goes.....



you say that the "GTO is stock except for the buidups on the engine" and then you say that it has a turbo!! NO one puts a turbo on a vintage GTO unless it is highly modified for autocross, if that. if it has any type of forced induction, it would be a blower. if it was a blower, it would have a friggin butterfly or hilborn style scoop coming through the hood and you would know it!
then you completely turn around in your reply to me and say that the GTO is completely stock on the motor, and has just been spuced up for show. it is either modded or isn't, pal. and forced induction is a pretty radical mod on a muscle car that is hard to not notice. smells like bullshit here...

if your motor was from a Chevelle, it would be a 283, 327, 350, 396, 402, 427, or 454 depending on the model/year. NO ONE EVER MADE A 450. and you wouldn't go to that displacement through boring or stroking either. the closest ci you can get is a 468, 540, 565, or 632. don't try and BS me on this.... i know ALL my shit on V8s and Chevelles, not to mention 60's muscle in general. smells like bullshit here...

you can't even list the mods on your motor?!?!?!? wtf? how the hell do you know the guys who built your motor really put into it what you think they put into it? how much money did you spend? smells like MAJOR bullshit here...

if your motor is a barely legal drag motor as you say, you would need a hell of a lot more than a wimpy ass police spec suspension to handle it. can you say narrowed ford 9 inch, custom axles, high strength driveshaft, TH400 tranny built to the gills, a ladder bar or 4-link rear suspension setup, reinforced frame, rollcage, custom exhaust, and a meaty set of stickies out back? you would rip you "police" susp. to shreds. DEFINETELY bullshit here...

you said in the timeslips thread that your bhp was 145. if it is, you got one wheezy little lawnmower on your hands. the engine shop must have really suckered you on that motor. where the hell did the other 600-700 HP go that should be in a street drag Chevy V8? bullshit, bullshit, bullshit...

if you say a '70 GTO is styled similar to a '70 Charger, i'll say a go cart looks like a top fuel dragster. go to www.noneckschevelle.com and search the classifieds for a '70 GTO so you can FINALLY see what one really looks like..... you know your shit about pontiac? bullshit, man.

go learn you stuff, get a real car and tehn come back here.
...either that or learn to be a better liar.


back this shit up with some pics, and decent explanations, and i may believe you, but good luck trying because you're not gonna be able to BS to me. Prove it, pal.

[RazorGTR]

well put fastrThanu.

I owned a late production dated 1969 Chevelle SS with the 402 special high performance in it. I know what I had done to the car it still would not reach 180mph. The fact that no mention of gearing changes in the diff also is another factor. None of these cars with factory gearing will reach that speed. The top speed for the GTO should be around the 140mph to 150mph mark depending on the gear ratio. Most if memory serves me right would have been 383 gearing to 411. Neither of which would allow it to reach 180.

Now getting to the rpm. 9,500 rpm! You must think we are all stupid. Unless your running a full roller cam, solid lifters, with triple springs on the valves you would float the valves at just on 6,900 rpm. That motor if you tried to push it that far and were able to get it up over 8,000 rpm mark would have self destructed. You would have needed a steel forged crank, special con-rods and forged pistons to keep the internals together.

Put a video together with the camera pointing to the tacho and run it, then while the camera is still on get out and show us the car it was in.

[mastachi]

man..whoever posted that story is FUCKED. i also just realized how much i DONT know about cars. After that guy got ripped to FUCKIN shreds, im never gonna lie. "My name is Norm..Im really a pizza delivery boy"..dude.. MAD_CZ_N..you got so fucked. I feel sorry for you. guess that'll teach you crime doesnt pay.

[RazorGTR]

That is so true. Some think that the majority on here are just nerds or something and have no idea what performance cars are all about. Oddly enough more and more true performance car enthusists are turning to the net for information and to get the hoe down on what is hot and what is not, keeping up with the most current information and such.

[vhr4710]

guys i was racing my 92 stock civic against my uncle in my highly modded camero z28 (but i dont know what mods are in the car even thouhg its mine) anyways we were on the interstate and started driving and all the sudden my vtec kicked in at abou 3000 rpm and before i knew it i was going 210 and my uncle had already maxed out at 205.. anyways thats my story and none of it is bull shit

[MAD_C_ZN]

OK ppl take your lousy ass opinions and shove em. The time shit youse talkin about, was BEFORE i had the car worked over, so don't start trippin on that bullshit. I said it was from a CHEVELLE OR SOMETHING emphasis on the word SOMETHING, i said earlier i had no idea where the damn thing came from, i just kjnow it was at one time a 450 which has been completely redone, total overhaul. As for the cop stuff, obviously none of you people are aware of what kinds of things the cops have done with their vehicles when they want the major highspeed sedans running at sport car speeds. The thing has been moded from there obviously, but my pieces are built on a cop performance basis. Yes it was an unmarked car, for use in highway persuits. Anyone in here heard of the highway cruisers called the interceptor, Mercury Grand Marquis that accelerate like a Corvette at 60mph or whatever the hell it was.........there is proof alone that the big cars can fly. You can bet on pictures coming up very soon, so the ridicule can stop. It's complete BS what you ppl have been writing.

The damn car is not 3 tonnes no, it's 2580 lbs, which is 2.58 pounds, which i rounded to 3 for an even number. Smoke that one. Continentals from '89 were not near as heavy as the Parisienne so stop that aswell.

AND WHAT THE HELL IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE GTO???? I SAID 3 TIMES THE DAMN THING IS FOR SHOW ON THE OUTSIDE, MADE TO LOOK LIKE IT'S BRAND NEW WITH A DROPPED FRONT END. 1970 GTO WITH VERY CLOSE TO ORIGINAL INTERIOR WITH EXTRAS LIKE A TACH AND SUCH, AND A DROPPED FRONT END AND DIFFERENT RIMS. VERY MUCH THE SAME THING, AND NO SHIT THE ENGINE WAS MODDED, I SAID IT HAD BEEN BUFFED UP, BUT HAD AN ORIGINAL RESTORED BODY. WITH A CAR LIKE THAT, WHO WOULDN'T TAKE THE DAMN THING TO THE TRACK? NO KIDDING IT HAD A TURBO!

There are so many people that neglect to read what i've written down here that it's damn unbelievable. I told you i don't know what the hell the car has, i just told the guys at ( AND AGAIN I SAY THE SHOP FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T READ ) RWB RESTORATION what i wanted the car to do, and they built the thing. As for a budget, take one damn guess. I spent 20 bucks on it right? DUH!! You can imagine the freakin amount of money it cost me to have that car done up, and yes, i paid for every cent of it, the hard way out of my own pocket which is more then i can say for most people.

As for the Colt, you'll recall that it is a 1989 200 GT, no an LX or and SE or any of that crap, just a 200 GT. They chose to do a twin platform on it because that's what they figured would be the best i assume and they did it. Not all of them were the 1.8 litres, or whatever you said i don't recall, as mine is (was) a 2.0 litre.

Enough of the crap and B.S. alright. The info is here, and said and done. If you don't believe it, then go sit on your thumb. It's here, it's happened, and if i had thought to get a dash cam there would be a movie to go with it. Next posting will include a movie i can guarantee it. When that time comes, perhaps all of the uninformed moronic individuals who can't read what's been repeated here a hundred thousand damn times will have something they can learn from.

This posting was originally meant for other people to come in and ask questions, leave their own best race and such, which i guess i should have specified in the beginning, since so many people with hot tempers have nothing better to do then make themselves seem big and all-powerfull and shut out someone with the real deal to make themselves feel good. Next time you people want to get into a verbal assault, go to a bar and talk to someone there, i've got no patience or understanding for you.

AND FOR THE PPL THAT WANT A LIST OF MODS, I DON'T HAVE ONE FOR 2 REASONS:

1. I didn't ask for one from the shop. They just did it, showed me a bill, and i paid for it.

2. I don't know much about engine mods as it is, so why have a list if i don't know much
about what i'm talking about?

[MAD_C_ZN]

2.58 tonnes sorry, caught up in the moment

[Psman32@af]

wow and i thought u were stupid before you said all that BS about cop cars. For one, the Ford cop cars were not grandmarquis, they were Crown Vic's, their platform mate and almost exactly the same, i wont say too much about that. but i have a problem with

As for the cop stuff, obviously none of you people are aware of what kinds of things the cops have done with their vehicles when they want the major highspeed sedans running at sport car speeds. The thing has been moded from there obviously, but my pieces are built on a cop performance basis. Yes it was an unmarked car, for use in highway persuits. Anyone in here heard of the highway cruisers called the interceptor, Mercury Grand Marquis that accelerate like a Corvette at 60mph or whatever the hell it was.........there is proof alone that the big cars can fly.

this statement. Yes like a criminal cant tell that a car that looks exactly like a cop car that is following him at high speeds is not a cop car . And as for saying how they out accelerate a corvete, the current Crown Vic cop cars are slower than their street counter parts from 0-60, 0-1/4 mile have less grip on the skid pad and are slower through the slamon. I have the tests done by popular mechanics somewhere and if you want i can post what they say. In the late 80's, the cop cars were probaly a bit faster than their street counter parts because they had an option for a 5.8 V8 on Crown Vic cop cars, while the regular Crown Vics got a 5.0. The power difference is minimal (30 hp) but I dont know the torque of the top of my head or any porformance numbers on either. Why do you make it sound like I dont know what I'm talking about with my car? Here is what you said

The damn car is not 3 tonnes no, it's 2580 lbs, which is 2.58 pounds, which i rounded to 3 for an even number. Smoke that one. Continentals from '89 were not near as heavy as the Parisienne so stop that aswell.

I didnt say that I had a continental, I had a Town car, the two are quite different. The continentals were a smaller car. My towncar's curb weight is 4057 lbs, and I have a really hard time believe that your parisene is only 3000 lbs. Also to show one last whole in your story, you said that your colt was stock but it cant be if its twin supercharged instead of having a single turbo.