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| View Poll Results: Which AWD Monster is best? | |||
| Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec (R34) |
   
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50 | 74.63% |
| Subaru Impreza 22b STi |
  
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11 | 16.42% |
| Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI GSR |
  
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6 | 8.96% |
| Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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#1
02-04-2002, 03:59 PM
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AWD JAPANESE MONSTERS
Choices are:
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI GSR Subaru 22b STi Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 Vspec
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02-04-2002, 06:48 PM
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i havent voted, but i love skylines, and they are a given killer of everything, but i love the 22b sti...
something about a car that is all about rallying... drifting on gravel is awesome... but i really like the skyline... i just cant make something into one over here in the states... the wrx or prez can be made into a 22b sti if you have the dough... i just dream about skylines... |
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02-05-2002, 02:32 AM
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Well you should know which I voted for
 You just can't beat the Skyline for all around fun. Though they other two would do better in the dirt. That is where it would end and they would never catch up. Oh and for the record the Skyline GTR is not full time 4wd. It uses the ATTESSA system so it is 2wd until either the G-force sensor or traction sensor instructs the computer to apply front wheel torque. That is when the fun begins
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02-06-2002, 04:37 PM
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Skyline in V-spec is a flawed car full stop. what with the induced oversteer, it cant be taken seriously.
Evo 6 for me cheers, jay |
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02-06-2002, 05:02 PM
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there are a lot of FR cars that dont behave like the GT-R. It's been programmed to oversteer without even being provoked, a kind of party trick, which i find pathetic. Still a good car in other ways, but doesnt touch the evo6
cheers jay |
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02-07-2002, 12:22 AM
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I don't know where you get your information at mate, but they are not programmed to oversteer. You get the best of both worlds without constant 4wd bullshit. Full time 4wd is for people who just plain and simply don't know how to drive or for off road use.
I have no problem with over steer or understeer. I have enduced small amounts of oversteer being stupid but the computer engages front wheel torque and it just straightens you out. I have done 7,000rpm launches and track in a straight line. I have also seen quite a few GTR's doing that on a regular basis without blowing the gearbox. How many times do you think a subbie or Evo can do that while pushing over 400hp without shitting something? Not may so don't even kid yourself. Now I have seen subbies and Evo's go into oversteer quite a bit, it is all on how you drive. Guys in Japan drift GTR's but they do it with the fuse pulled so it is only 2wd.
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02-07-2002, 05:21 AM
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Yea well nothing hacks me off more than someone who thinks they know all about every car made. I don't know how many times people who have never owned or driven a Skyline GTR, spit out the stupidest things. Sorry to say most seem to be from the States. I think those who do are either assuming based off of bits and pieces of information or that vid of the R34 GTR where the guy is throwing it sideways on a run way.
Just for the record that was oversteer was enduced at over 65mph! How many cars would have come right at that speed! If you want to know more about Skylines then do some reading and ask the right people before making assumptions.
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02-07-2002, 08:35 AM
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gee whiz pal, sorry for "hacking you off". i dont know how ill be able to sleep tonight.
and no, i dont think i know everything about every car made. i never claimed i did, so dont put words in my mouth i am not fortunate enough to have driven a Skyline, so just as you suggest in your eloquent post, i had done some reading about the R34 and seen a few vids, albeit not the one you mention in your post. and in separate cases by separate testers, they both say exactly the same thing. too much oversteer when the car isnt provoked, the car is engineered to behave in this way (in V-spec i believe) so thank you very much, i am not spouting sh*t or making stupid comments. if you want to insult peoples' intelligence go do it elsewhere cheers, jay |
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02-07-2002, 08:56 PM
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can i bitch about how much i hate skylines some more!?!?! pleeeeeeeeease...........
AND NO CRAZYZAYJAY YOURE ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY WRONG! THE SKYLINE WAS HANDCRAFTED BY GOD HIMSELF! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH IT AT ALL!!! (jk  ) anyway, i voted lancer evo....rally heritage, AND it looks great....id take it over a skyline and an STI anyday.......but i will concede that the r34 is one SICK lookin car, just too big and bulky lookin for me....but of course its performance counters that.....
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02-08-2002, 08:59 PM
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Actually I would take an EVO over a Subbie any day. They are nimble cars and the performance is quite astounding for what they are. Of all the EVO's made my personal preference would be the I - III. I like the styling much better than the newer versions. Also they are lighter which would equate to a better performance figure. Though technology does have it's advantages. A very good mate of mine has an EVOII and we have had lots of fun in that car
Once I am out of my purchase warrenty period we will be having some good goes with each other on the tracks. Both drags and circut.crayzayjay can you provide me with a website that you got your information off of or at least some of the information you got? I would really like to go and see it. I have been in a few R34 GTR's including the non-Vspec, Vspec I and Vspec II and i can tell you from first hand experience that from a dead start if you launch or take off rapidly in a turn you can get them sideways but then the front wheels kick in and ruins your fun. That is what the ATTESSA system does. Remember it is 2wd until the computer gets a signal from one of 6 sensors, two on the front wheels, two on the rear wheels, a latteral and horizontal g-force sensor. So there is a bit of a delay before torque is applied to the front wheels, hence the ability to get the car sideways. I am sorry about spouting off like that. I was having a bad day and should not have done that. I usually try and educate people first, but just jumped instead. For that I was wrong.
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02-09-2002, 10:50 AM
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Dont worry about it, i had a few of those myself this week.. at the end of the day you cant criticise someone for liking something, right? you can only give your own opinion on an issue so as long as everyone does that things are ok
I didnt get any of my info from any websites, im not really a Skyline fanatic so i dont look it up on the web. i did however see it reviewed on a French satellite channel (called Moteurs i think), they liked it but said it oversteered too much without enough provocation and also on an Italian satellite channel (i think it was Nuvolari or something like that) but since i dont speak italian i dont really know what the guy said about it, he seemed to like it a lot though. the only article i have is the 1999 Car of the year issue of EVO magazine (Jan 2000) where i got my info from, where several journos who drove it (7) found it to be very fast, but flawed... if you dont have access to the mag, heres what they found: "power on oversteer isnt a consequence for the slab muscled nissan, more a well honed party trick. its programmed to do it and the result can feel a tad contrived". R34 started as top 3 contender (along GT3 and Modena), but the V-spec suspension was criticised as too hard, as was the lazy engine and throttle response. "when the torque's redistributed it feels like all the wheels are pointed in different directions"... Overall the car finished 9th out of 12, racking up 4 times less points than the overall winner, the GT3, which finished narrowly in front of the 360. The Impreza RB5 was also in the event and came 3rd. so thats what i base my opinions on, 8 so-called motoring experts who found the same results. since i havent had the chance to drive the car i simply make my own deduction from what i see/hear/read as long as its from more than one solid source. cheers, jay |
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02-12-2002, 02:38 AM
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well, i havent driven any of them, but i voted 22b cuz its my cars big mean brother! however id shit all over myself if if someone handed me the keys to any one of them, so just cuz i pick one doesnt mean i dont like the others!
razor, youre a lucky guy to live in a place where those cars roam free... |
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