Remote Turbo

[-Jayson-]

i was thinking about getting a remote turbo charger, ive read all the pros and cons about them and im pretty interested in getting one. But im not sure which one to get. I havent found any that are designed for my 2001 2.4L cavalier, usually the ones i see are only for trucks, fbodys, or suvs. Does it matter if its not designed for my car? Which one would be best for my car? Im only looking for about 4-7PSI of boost, nothing drastic.

[SaabJohan]

What pros? There aren't any, only cons. Anyone that claims that there is any advantages with this obviously doesn't know the basics behind turbocharging. Spend your money on a real system instead.

[Jet-Lee]

how bout an electric turbo? I mean, a turbo with the compressor being driven by an electric motor instead of exhaust flow. Operated by push button, when you want. What rpm does a turbo usually provide adequate boost at?

[-Jayson-]

i dont think you understand what a remote turbo is, a remote turbo is one where the turbo itself is sitted back just in front of the muffler. This makes it run cooler and alot easier to install. Can anyone list a few companies that make remote turbos? So far the only one play ive seen on at is http://www.ststurbo.com.

[Jet-Lee]

I understand just fine, but requiring that much tubing to go all the way back to the engine compartment, doesn't sound logical or efficient. Sounds to me like wasted money and made up testimonials. Would my application not be a type of remote turbo?
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Where yours would be maybe adj. def #1, would mine not be adj. def #'s 7 or 8?

[SaabJohan]

Originally Posted by -Jayson-

i dont think you understand what a remote turbo is, a remote turbo is one where the turbo itself is sitted back just in front of the muffler. This makes it run cooler and alot easier to install. Can anyone list a few companies that make remote turbos? So far the only one play ive seen on at is http://www.ststurbo.com.

This page does only contain a lot of bullshit. The turbine is driven by heat in the massflow and the kinetic energy in the pulses, you want the turbocharger as close to the engine as possible where it can convert this energy as efficienct as possible. As the compressor needs a certain amount of power, so to make this power of the exhaust gasses that contains less energy the expansion ratio over the turbine will increase, so you will get more exhaust pressure. The lag will also become massive.

And by the way... electric driven superchargers don't work, at least the ones you can buy, they are simply just small fans that sits in the way of the airflow, in best case they doesn't reduce the power of the engine.

[-Jayson-]

i thought the turbo was spun by the pressure of the exhaust, im pretty sure its not heat. And the website says the turbo is fully spooled by 3,000 RPMS. As for lag, yes their might be some, not much more than adding a intercooler. With my car i would prolly need to at 7FT of tubiing to connecting the turbo to the intake. A good intercooler could easily have that much in tubbing, but i dont need to run an intercooler if i run this. Im not looking for high PSI either, 6-8 PSI at most. As for lagging cause of the long pipe, i dont think their would be that much because of the dynamics of airflow. When air is pushed, the air molecules dont move through the air, instead they push the air molecules in front of them, like a big massive chain reaction. The webpag does that that 1/4-1/2 PSI can be lost in the pipping, but thats not a big deal to me, cause im not looking for massive performance, just something to play around with and take to the track every once in a while. I dont want to spend really more than 2G's on it. Not to mention my automotive skills are a little lacking.

As for electric superchargers, yes i think like 99% of them are all a bunch of BS, a fan cant create PSI, but a turbo can. So since i need to pay off some bills (nice amount of credit card debt) i decided to try one out, i havent gotten it yet, but it should be here withing the next 3-4weeks (it was on back order). Anyways this is the best claims ive ever seen for an electric supercharger, and it comes with a 10HP moneyback guarante. So worst case i spend a few bucks on shipping. The E-Turbo claims 800CFM airflow @ 2PSI with a 12V motor.
https://cargodzcc.hivelocity.net/cgi...egory_Code=pi1

if it works, great ill be happy with 10HP, if not ill just send it back and get my money back. I know of all the scams on ebay and ive searched through a ton of these things, and this one was by far the best yet. If it can produce 2 PSI, i should gain about 20HP. . .but we will just have to wait and see about it.

[Sluttypatton]

Exhaust pressure does not power the turbine, it is the remaining thermal energy in the exhaust that powers it. The colder the exhaust, the less energy you will be able to extract from it, and consequently you will have a slug of a turbo system. Think of it this way, if it were pressure that ran the turbine, then think what having exhaust gasses backed up against the turbine would do to your motor. Think about how much reversion would occur if it were exhaust pressure driving the turbine. The fact of the matter is the further away the turbocharger is from the exhaust ports, the colder the exhaust is going to get, and you will find very quickly that cold exhaust doesn't drive a turbocharger very well.

I could not read much of that page as it was painful to me to read so much crap in one dose. That site keeps mentioning heat as if it were some sort of issue with turbocharging, which is entirely false. Turbochargers are designed to endure torturous conditions and temperatures, and do so reliably for a long time. The turbine housing can get hot enough to glow, that is true, but that does not indicate some sort of fault in it's design.

If you wont take our word for it then here's some food for thought; Why is it that there has NEVER been a vehicle produced with a remote turbo setup?

Edit: Please don't tell me you are considering a electric turbo from cargodzcc. We have heard from them before, and needless to say they sounded like they were full of it. They would give facts and figures, then would refuse to support them or give us any proof other than their word.

[-Jayson-]

ok so the remote turbo is a no go then, i was just cruious of it so thats why i asked about it here. As for the electric turbo, i want to give it a shot. I know theirs a good chance that it wont work, but you never know, this one might. With a 10HP money back guarante its by far not the worst one out there. Im not gonna be able to get a real supercharger or turbo for atleast 6 months, so this is just something to play around with.

[Jet-Lee]

I agree all those market electric turbo's are BS, it's a fan. I've even seen one where they said "It's similar to CPU cooling fan" HOW THE HELL DOES THAT BENEFIT YOU? those things can't produce PSI. My thought was to actually get a turbo, a real turbo. Take off the exhaust/turbine side, and use a powerful electric motor. Bolt the compressor housing to the motor housing, to an anchor point. Then attach the compressor wheel to the shaft of the electric motor. Wire this in with prollly an extra battery and some switches for charging and running. Just a thought, I'm going to be building this mostly to see how it compares to the market scams.

[-Jayson-]

^^ did you look at the link of the e-turbo i bought? thats pretty much exactly what it is. . .

[Jet-Lee]

what is the average rpm/speed range of a turbo pushing 6psi?

[-Jayson-]

3,000 rpms i think. . .dont quote me on that.

[psychorallyfreak]

Mother of God.
I can't believe this.
Electric superchargers are a BAD idea. More drag on the charging system, less net horsepower.
Good old fashioned turbochargers, FREE horsepower.
Turbos are run on the exhaust PRESSURE, NOT HEAT.
When somebody says that heat is bad for a turbo, they probably mean extreme heat, and shutting the engine down without letting the turbo spool down first, doing damage to the bearings.
Or, they're just overworking their little turbo, over-spooling it, creating unnecessary heat.
And as far as when the turbo spools, depends on the trim of the turbine wheel, and its size.
Remote turbo? BS. no such thing. Anybody that does tout anything about it is giving you some hardcore Bull.
If you want to make your Cavalier more powerful, but don't want to spend a whole lot of money, don't expect to make a whole lot of power. LotsaBang-for-littlebuck factor is non-existent in the world of FI.
And that "tornado" thing? Utter stupidity.

Thanks for your time.

the FREAK.

[-Jayson-]

no one is talking about a tornado thing. . .

i never said i dont want to spend a whole lot of money, but i got rear ended like a month ago and had to a 1,000 dollar deductable to get my car fixed, on top of that i have about 1,000 dollars worth of credit card debt right now, so my plans for the GM supercharger or a turbo charger are on hold for a bit. Did you even read the thread?
I said i want to spend about 2G's on a turbo or supercharger, the Gm supercharger is about 2G's and will put my HP up to almost 200HP. I was looking around pricing turbos and i saw a remote turbo so i asked about it. Im only looking for about 6 PSI of boost at most, that will give me well over 200HP. Im not looking to make a speed freak performance machine, just something to have fun with every now and then at the track and to beat on a few other cars that dont respect cavaliers.