There Are Too Many Of Them!!!

[EuroSportsCarFan]

Yes, there are far too many modified Japanese sports cars on the road that can beat most exotic Euro cars. On the cover of DSport they have a slightly modified Mitsubishi EVO that can do 9s! A Lamborghini can't even do 9s! A Ferrari 360 can't even do 9's! These exotic Euro Cars can't even do 9's with top modifications! I use to be a big fan of Euro exotics, but now the performance gap has narrowed WAY too much between them, and sub 30k modofied Japanese sports cars. I'm sorry, but I just can't justify paying up a couple of hundred grand on a sports car, only to get beat by little Tommy from high school in his souped up CRX! The land of the rising sun has won!

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by EuroSportsCarFan

Yes, there are far too many modified Japanese sports cars on the road that can beat most exotic Euro cars. On the cover of DSport they have a slightly modified Mitsubishi EVO that can do 9s! A Lamborghini can't even do 9s! A Ferrari 360 can't even do 9's! These exotic Euro Cars can't even do 9's with top modifications! I use to be a big fan of Euro exotics, but now the performance gap has narrowed WAY too much between them, and sub 30k modofied Japanese sports cars. I'm sorry, but I just can't justify paying up a couple of hundred grand on a sports car, only to get beat by little Tommy from high school in his souped up CRX! The land of the rising sun has won!

That 9 sec evo is not slightly modified unless it made one 9 sec run and went boom.

and those modified cars that do 9 are heavily set up (suspension-wise) for drag racing and become worthless for track racing.

And I'm sorry to break your bubble but there is no production car in jappan to touch the likes of Mclaren F1, enzo, carrerra GT

[Stratocaster5292]

Most of owning an European exotic is the nostalgia of it. I can gararuntee you that you will get more girls with that ferrari or lamborghini then a 9 second evo. Even though that evo can run the quarter in 9 seconds, to get to that point its so purpose built that it wouldnt be practical as an exotic (considering how practical an exotic is, thats saying something). And just to be fair its not just japanese sports cars that are goin that fast with little mods, american and other cheaper european cars are just as capable of those times.

[EuroSportsCarFan]

Originally Posted by Stratocaster5292

Most of owning an European exotic is the nostalgia of it. I can gararuntee you that you will get more girls with that ferrari or lamborghini then a 9 second evo. Even though that evo can run the quarter in 9 seconds, to get to that point its so purpose built that it wouldnt be practical as an exotic (considering how practical an exotic is, thats saying something). And just to be fair its not just japanese sports cars that are goin that fast with little mods, american and other cheaper european cars are just as capable of those times.

I hear the both of you...it just seems like back in the 1980s, a super exotic was a super exotic, performance wise. Now you have to buy the likes of a McLaren, or Enzo, to stay "super exotic" in the performance department. My, things have changed.

[engineer]

ok let's see... there are so many sides to this argument...

- 1: dollar for dollar, jap cars win hands down. i am not saying euro supercars arent worth their money, they damn well are. but you cannot deny the value that jap cars offer, also with the cheap bolt on performance that can boost power very quickly very cheaply.

- 2: u could never make a jap car handle like a euro supercar. u can not make a NSX handle like a 360 modena. u can not make a R34 GTR handle like a porsche turbo. And im not saying NSX and GTR arent good cars, theyre GREAT cars, i love them and they are some of my favourite cars, but u cant change the fact that money aside, european sports/super cars are superior.

- 3: I know this always comes up, but driver skill counts for SO much. where i live we have many driver training courses and events at our many racetracks... but theres a special one where u have to be invited, and its only for drivers of exotic-ish cars.... a few ferraris turned up, mainly 360's. the format was that they would do a few laps, while being coached, then the instructor does a hot lap or 2 to show them how its done. so the owners of the 360s were taking the first corner at about 150km/h (~95 mph), then the instructor jumps in, (they are usually ex-racers) and takes the first corner at 190km/h (~120mph). so the difference is huge.

- 4: I can never stress this enough but... i know this is my opinion, but i am sick to death of people only thinking about cars in numbers... especially 1/4 mile times or, ughhh, skidpan readings.... i think what it should be most about is how it feels to drive, how much fun u have, and about improving urself, finding those extra tenths in lap times, seeing how much faster u can turn into a corner and hold onto it, seeing if u can quicken ur shifts and make them smoother and learn more precise throttle control. that just my opinion tho.... and u all have every right to disagree with it and....

- 5: is there that much point comparing jap and euro? not only has it been done COUNTLESS times before.... its like comparing an apple and an orange. different philosophies. Japan: 206kw official power limit, practicality, value.... European: take an umlimited resources approach... carbon fibre, titanium, magnesium, breakthrough technologies etc... make cars that blow everything else away and everyone wants but no-one can afford... (there is always exceptions of course)

ok thats just my 2c ... well more like $2 but anyways thanks for listening

[landyacht]

I have no use for anything that isn't powered by a V8 from Detroit.

[01rollaS&accordv6]

Buy and exotic such as a (what my uncle has) a 2004 360 Modena F1 convertable and you will understand, once my mom bought her mercedes S600 back in 96' it was rare to have one at that time and still is in a way since they cost about $120K+ today you see alot of S 500' but no that many S 600's, By the way that is not the only car he's got, he has a car collection in D.C where he lives and that's exclusivity.

[Z_Fanatic]

one thing to note, those Evos may be 12 secs street cars with slight mods, enough to match some ferrari or lambo 1/4 times; but they certainly won't handle like exotics, even with AWD and slip-differential.

[freakonaleash1187]

Originally Posted by landyacht

I have no use for anything that isn't powered by a V8 from Detroit.

this guy needs an award for this post.

anyways, i can't stand it when people laugh at exotics because a japanese car can outrace it. an exotic isn't ALL about speed, it has the looks and the prestige of it. what would you like, "i have a mitsubishi", or "i have a ferrari". they are built for different purposes so you can't really compare them.

[Jimster]

I like to think of it this way, you spend $3000 on your $30,000-ish Evo and you go quite a bit faster

You spend $16,000 to give your $160,000 Exotic (Porsche being the exception, as they are somewhat easier and cheaper to modiy) to get the same gain in speed as the Evo driver- you spent 10% of the cars value for both to get the same gain in speed.

I fail to see where the problem lies.

[EuroSportsCarFan]

Originally Posted by Jimster

I like to think of it this way, you spend $3000 on your $30,000-ish Evo and you go quite a bit faster

You spend $16,000 to give your $160,000 Exotic (Porsche being the exception, as they are somewhat easier and cheaper to modiy) to get the same gain in speed as the Evo driver- you spent 10% of the cars value for both to get the same gain in speed.

I fail to see where the problem lies.

If money is no object, then what you say makes sense. And I disagree about the price modification examples you gave. Modifying a Ferrari cost significantly more then modifying an EVO (go to www.koenig-specials.com) and see for yourself.

As for the "European cars handle better" argument, I understand that. The only problem is, most street racing is in a straight line. I guess the bottom line is that if you buy a EuroExotic then you are paying for craftsmanship, handling, and status. There is no right or wrong here, but I just find the performance differences to be too negligible to justify the whopping price difference. Personally, I could get more tail by putting that extra money into real estate. Oh well, to each his own!

[greendayhbt26]

euro exotics are much better in not just handleing but looks. seeing a riced out evo looks like trash. half the mods look poorly done and are tacky in my opinion where as euros look great stock. not to mention they sound amazing, drive amazing and the name gives you bragging rights and more pride. trust me when u park ur euro car nest to a tuned up jap car, ppl will notice the euro and love that and just ignore the jap car. plus...nothings more annoying then hearing a tinny buzzing noise coming from the tail pipe of some crappy modified 4 banger ricer. i dont care how fast it can go, its worthless. and im sure the ricers will go thru more engines by getting put thru that then the euro, cause it has cheap engineering cause those cars r designed for fuel efficency and reliability while being stock, its an imported family car. not a race car

[ExtreemATV]

the thing that i ate about these JAPCRAPS is that if you were to get a pure muscle car vercing a JAPCRAP the muscle car will be about 50 meters ahead of the JAPCRAP with all the turbo lag. and when the turbo dose kick in the top speed of it just wont compare to pure muscle.

[Z_Fanatic]

Originally Posted by ExtreemATV

the thing that i ate about these JAPCRAPS is that if you were to get a pure muscle car vercing a JAPCRAP the muscle car will be about 50 meters ahead of the JAPCRAP with all the turbo lag. and when the turbo dose kick in the top speed of it just wont compare to pure muscle.

you're ignorant. you wanna say that same shit about Sti and Evo?

[engineer]

Originally Posted by ExtreemATV

the thing that i ate about these JAPCRAPS is that if you were to get a pure muscle car vercing a JAPCRAP the muscle car will be about 50 meters ahead of the JAPCRAP with all the turbo lag. and when the turbo dose kick in the top speed of it just wont compare to pure muscle.

this guys profile: occupation - mechanicle engineer.... you can't even spell mechanical and you expect me to believe you are a mechanical engineer? And i know an engineer wouldn't say as something stupid and uneducated as that ^. For one thing, not all japanese cars are turbocharged, there are cars like GT-R's that can run stock 12s (with TURBO LAG) and take corners as well (amazing isnt it) and for another thing this muscle vs import shit is SO OLD like get over it. seriously.