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#1
07-24-2004, 12:32 AM
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explain countersteer
alright, I searched the forum and only one post came up with it, so I thought I would ask being new and all. Someone explain countersteering to me. From what I understand if you apply inward pressure towards the right on the left bar you will go left. So pushing in on the left side will push you left, which makes no sense to someone who hasnt tried it, i.e. me. Do I have it right? And can you do this on any bike, including my 1982 Yamaha xs650? Also, give me some pointers on how to tell if I am doing it right. Thanks
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#2
07-24-2004, 01:35 AM
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Re: explain countersteer
Push right go right, push left go left. It is NOT something that you need to work on or practice. Its a part of riding that comes natural in order to get the bike to turn. This is the funny thing about MSF that they try to make you learn this. Its dumb in my opinion. I mean they can tell you the basics and what not but to actually tell you to turn the bars a certain way is stupid because this one dumb girl was doing fine until the instructor told her to turn the bars to the left and she turned to hard and lowsided. So know the concept but dont go out and try to practice cuz really it is not something you should be thinking about. Put it this way, if your not doing it, your not turning the bike givin that your going about 20 MPH or more.
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07-24-2004, 06:26 PM
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they tried to teach me the same at my course,and to be honest i don't have a clue whether i do it or not.
it was explained to me as; when you push on the right bar the weight of your body and that of the bike is now off centre to the right and your body is now in the right position to lean to the right. therefore you have started to turn the bike just by shifting the weight and aligning yourself to turn right.
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#4
07-25-2004, 03:00 PM
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Re: explain countersteer
After the gyrocscopic effect starts on the front wheel, turning the handlebars to the right actually moves the traction path to the left side of the wheel where the roundness of the wheel alters the lean of the bike and makes the bike turn that direction.
Become very comfortable with countersteer before really trying to ride hard at a track day.
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#5
07-26-2004, 12:29 AM
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ummm, translation?
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#6
07-28-2004, 08:14 AM
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If you're asking for the physics of the process, R1-rider is on the
right track, although "gyroscopic effect" only pertains to the "feel" of the steering, not how it actually occurs. The movement of the contact patch is, in fact, the basis for 2-wheeler steering. I can try explaining in detail, if you like. Otherwise, if you're asking HOW to do it, don't overly concern yourself. You countersteer without even realizing it. You even countersteered your bicycle as a kid. Once you're comfortable riding, and heading down a straight road, gently nudge one side of the bars forward. You'll go in that direction. It's that simple. Leaning your body doesn't cause the bike to turn. Leaning your body causes you to shift the bars slightly. It's all done unconsciously. It's important to teach countersteering because you can become a better rider. If you condition yourself to countersteer, you'll have crisper handling and quicker emergency manuevering. (...and we've all needed that at times.) Racers don't flick the bike side-to-side in corners by shifting their weight. (At least the FAST ones don't.) They flick the bike by countersteering. The leaning and hanging-off is to fine-tune the handling and re-adjust the center-of-mass. ...but that's a whole different subject. Hope this helps, Keith
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#7
07-28-2004, 08:38 AM
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Re: explain countersteer
Yay, Keith! You f-ing ROCK!!!
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#9
07-29-2004, 12:28 AM
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Re: explain countersteer
gently nudge one of the bars forward? im new, but that just sounds like
"turn the bars one way and wow! you turned that way!".... am i missing something??
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07-29-2004, 01:47 AM
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Re: Re: explain countersteer
Quote:
for instance, push the right handlebar forward, the front wheel yaws left, the bike leans to the right, making it turn. Isn't this right people?
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#12
07-29-2004, 04:02 AM
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i was having a dig at R1. with all that physics crap above i thought i had gone to a nerd party. I thought all the nerds sat at computer talking to other nerds about useless stuff. oh wait aaah shit i'm a squiddly nerd
  
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#14
08-02-2004, 03:05 PM
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Beginners will learn it without thinking about it just by riding around. I also had teachers who were trying to teach this while only myself and another student were already lisenced riders the rest of the class wasn't so we actually felt sorry for them. If I was to think about it I would probably forget how to ride while concentrating on it.
It is nonsense that they try to explain it. It is just balance. If more weight is on the left side the bike will go left or fall over. Simple. If you are going straight and you put your weight on the right side the bike will go right. Simple. If you are riding straight and just turn the handlebar to the right the tires will go right and the weight will be on the left side of the bike now and you will then turn left. Simple. 
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#15
08-02-2004, 04:53 PM
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Re: explain countersteer
Tech, good work, that explained it for me
all except that last bit.. "Simple. If you are riding straight and just turn the handlebar to the right the tires will go right and the weight will be on the left side of the bike now and you will then turn left. Simple." so if i turn right, its good turn left? thats what it sounds like to me, can you elaborate?
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