I'm confused

[Flatrater]

I cant figure it out!!!


I'll know how to vote come November. Who to believe...

Lemme see, have I got this straight?

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...

Clinton says mass graves in Serbia - good...
Entire world says WMD in Iraq - bad...

No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Recession under Bush - bad...

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam in custody - bad...

Ah, it's so confusing

[Raz_Kaz]

heres another to add
Clinton, sex in the white house-good
Bush, retard-bad
jk

[2strokebloke]

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...

Wasn't the custody of Bin Laden set forth as a trade for weapons - which would have been going to the dictator of Sudan?

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...

It's funny how that's worded: "Christian Serbs" and "Muslim Albanian terrorists" this isn't another Christians are good, Muslims are bad, sort of thing is it?

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

They're both bad - say, you are confused aren't you? The only thing new is that this time you know you are

[driftu]

clinton and bush are both crooks and criminals in my books. clinton could just cover up better. maybe bush should get an interm.

[YogsVR4]

That was entertaining

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Flatrater

I cant figure it out!!!


Ah, it's so confusing

I'll simplify it for you.

Clinton isn't standing this time.His actions are irrelevant.
Bush..... If by another freak result he gets back in,expect tospend lots more money and lives fucking up other peoples' countries.

[RSX-S777]

Originally Posted by taranaki

I'll simplify it for you.

Clinton isn't standing this time.His actions are irrelevant.
Bush..... If by another freak result he gets back in,expect tospend lots more money and lives fucking up other peoples' countries.

I agree.

Also: Realizing that OTHER countries exist on this planet and working with their help and blessing to achieve mutually beneficial goals is GOOD.

Telling the majority of the world, in essence, to fuck off because the US knows whats best for you then screwing up and begging for international assistance is BAD (BUSH).

[T4 Primera]

I simplify it further with respect to both Clinton's and Bush's actions described above.

BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD,BAD, BAD,BAD, BAD,BAD, BAD,BAD, BAD,BAD, BAD,BAD, BAD.

All of those actions were bad.

Vote Kerry? HELL NO!!!
BAD!!!!!

I like Nader

[Moppie]

Or, how about this:

America's profit from the actions in Serbia:
Nill.
America's profit from the actions in Iraq.
Massive.

Living conditions in Serbia after UN intervention:
Better than before
Lving conditions in Iraq after US intervention:
Much, much worse than before.

UN support given to action in Serbia:
Yes.
Un Support given to action in Iraq
No.




And YES mass graves were found, and are still being found, mean while the whole WMD story is looking more and more like a story.



Clinton gets a blow job from his secratry.
So what?
Bush goes against the wishs of the UN, and the wishs of all but 7 countries, all of which imediatly profit from US trade deals.
Of course its bad!




And I don't see whats so confusing, you don't get to vote for Clinton this time, he's had his turn at giving the US a postive world image (you know its actualy a benefit to the US if the 97.5% of the worlds population who don't live there like you).
Unforunatly Bush tore it all down, and set back the worlds image of the US probobly 40 years.

[blindside.AMG]

Originally Posted by Moppie

And I don't see whats so confusing, you don't get to vote for Clinton this time, he's had his turn at giving the US a postive world image (you know its actualy a benefit to the US if the 97.5% of the worlds population who don't live there like you).
Unforunatly Bush tore it all down, and set back the worlds image of the US probobly 40 years.

Man, 97.5% of the world doesn't live here. Funny how in this forum all we can do is talk about the US.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by Moppie

Or, how about this:

America's profit from the actions in Serbia:
Nill.
America's profit from the actions in Iraq.
Massive.

Profits = GOOD

Living conditions in Serbia after UN intervention:
Better than before
Lving conditions in Iraq after US intervention:
Much, much worse than before.

Right on the first one. Wrong on the second one. Better - much better.

UN support given to action in Serbia:
Yes.
Un Support given to action in Iraq
No.

Who cares what the UN does. Its a useless organization and will implode on its own ineptitude.

And YES mass graves were found, and are still being found, mean while the whole WMD story is looking more and more like a story.

One that will continue to play itself out.

Clinton gets a blow job from his secratry.
So what?

Like most people you are confused about the issue. Its not the blow job, its the lieing about it under oath.

Bush goes against the wishs of the UN, and the wishs of all but 7 countries, all of which imediatly profit from US trade deals.
Of course its bad!

Once again with the UN. The UN doesn't matter. Its imput should not be requested or considered.

And I don't see whats so confusing, you don't get to vote for Clinton this time, he's had his turn at giving the US a postive world image (you know its actualy a benefit to the US if the 97.5% of the worlds population who don't live there like you).

Unforunatly Bush tore it all down, and set back the worlds image of the US probobly 40 years.

Let me use a prior quote from you. So what?

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Profits = GOOD

Not when the profits belong to mostly his family, and his, and his VP's cronies.

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Right on the first one. Wrong on the second one. Better - much better.

In Iraq? You ARE talking about Iraq, right?

Well, maybe Iraq will have a better country now, under their current leader. He IS sooo different from the last one. Right?

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Who cares what the UN does. Its a useless organization and will implode on its own ineptitude.

Although I am not as vehement as you are, I tend to agree with your assessment of the UN...BUT, how can you just discount the difference in sanctioning between the two actions?

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

One that will continue to play itself out.

As you and GWB, are both hoping (and wishing), I'm sure.

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Like most people you are confused about the issue. Its not the blow job, its the lieing about it under oath.

I'll be honest, unlike some people, and admit it was the public desecration of the prime office of this country that pissed me off. That mantra you just used is tired, and stupid, as we all know better...or we should.

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Once again with the UN. The UN doesn't matter. Its imput should not be requested or considered.

Just as we have to deal with the little red-tape we do in our daily lives, as unnecessary, and a waste as they are, most of the time, so do we have to deal the "international red-tape" of international politics. At least for now. If we'd only leave well enough alone, and deal with OUR problems first, before we try to take care of someone else's, maybe we'll have to deal with it less.

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Let me use a prior quote from you. So what?

That was, in two words, crude and arrogant. That's the same attitude that's helping to recruit more and more people into the simple cause of killing Americans. Don't get me wrong, I'm no pacifist or anything, but we all know we'll be hard-pressed to match China's legions, let alone 5 billion other people pissed-off at us, as we meddle with THEIR affairs, time and again, and have the audacity to say what you said, when they take interest in us.

[2strokebloke]

Like most people you are confused about the issue. Its not the blow job, its the lieing about it under oath.

God help us that a politician lied - that's soooo horrible. And what of GWB's weapons of mass destruction, that supposedly posed a threat to the U.S.? As I recall, Clinton's lie didn't end up costing billions of U.S. tax dollars...

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

That was, in two words, crude and arrogant. That's the same attitude that's helping to recruit more and more people into the simple cause of killing Americans. Don't get me wrong, I'm no pacifist or anything, but we all know we'll be hard-pressed to match China's legions, let alone 5 billion other people pissed-off at us, as we meddle with THEIR affairs, time and again, and have the audacity to say what you said, when they take interest in us.

Its a crock to say that the rest of the world hates us. 5 billion? I'd wager that two to three billion have no opinion at all. A billion or two more could give two shits and that last billion is broken down into people who are like the rest of us - Some hate other countries in total, some hate the politicians in those countries, some are jealous of facets of other countries.

Now, my guess is that most people here hate something about other countries. Yet, I haven't read where thats casued one of us to start killing people from there. Recruiting to kill is not a simple matter. If it were so easy, there'd be bloodbaths all over the world everyday.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

God help us that a politician lied - that's soooo horrible. And what of GWB's weapons of mass destruction, that supposedly posed a threat to the U.S.? As I recall, Clinton's lie didn't end up costing billions of U.S. tax dollars...

Now you're part of the second group. I did nothing but point out that the issue wasn't the blow job and you've twisted it around to make moral equivelences.

As for Clinton costing billions - that was done by saying he was going to have a middle class tax cut, but instead, he instantiated the largest tax increase ever.