why i was gone...

[lazysmurff]

though im sure i wasnt missed for the week i didnt post, the reason i was gone is of (i feel) concern to the members of this forum.

i was attending the national ACLU membership conference in san francisco. it was a very eye opening experiance.

i am new to the ACLU (i joined just a few months ago) but not to what they do. having done many research projects i was familiar with their work, and their stances.

however, i was not aware of the extent to which this administration is in violation of our bill of rights. i mean, i knew the basics: suspension of habeus corpus, right to council, trial, etc. and the ability and tendancy to search without cause or warrent our possessions, not to mention gay marriage and abortion but that was just the tip of the iceberg.

our administration is seeking to pass admendments to the constituion that would greatly limit our freedoms of speech and expression, such as making the burning of the flag a felony.

also, our administration is making huge efforts to not only fund religion with tax payer dollars, but to endorse it nationally. take for instance the faith based initiatives (which i had heard about but never really looked into) which seeks to give money to religious organizations that provide a civil service (but not to secular organizations mind you)

they also seek to inforce so called "free speech zones" at presidential rallies, political protests and on college campuses. excuse me mr ashcroft but i live in a free speech zone...its called america

its time, i believe, for every citizen of america to seriously consider whether or not we want to continue to live under an administration that feels no qualms in limiting our very basic freedoms of speech, press, association, religion, and expression. regardless of whether or not kerry or bush wins the upcoming election, we need to demand that our administration stop its efforts to erode the very soul of this country.

thank you for listening/reading....whatever

[jon@af]

Hopefully I'll be able to move out of the country before my right to do that is taken away.

[Raz_Kaz]

Get up! Stand up! Stand up for your rights!!!
welcome back...I knew there was a reason the Political forum was slow

[werwolf-23]

Originally Posted by lazysmurff

though im sure i wasnt missed for the week i didnt post, the reason i was gone is of (i feel) concern to the members of this forum.

i was attending the national ACLU membership conference in san francisco. it was a very eye opening experiance.

Goody! Some raging liberals to argue with! The local 'conservatives' are losing their entertainment value

[YogsVR4]

Something to keep in mind is that the ACLU is a liberal bastion, so their perspecitve comes from there.

[werwolf-23]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Something to keep in mind is that the ACLU is a liberal bastion, so their perspecitve comes from there.

lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

-Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
-Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.

Liberal just doesn't work on the extreme left, damnit! They're equally as dogmatic and crazy as their counterparts on the right. We need a new word!

In fact, I can't see 'conservative' fitting anyone who's in favor of the highest federal spending in history, combined with the biggest federal bureaucratic expansion in history, combined with the biggest deficits in history.

WE NEED NEW WORDS! Let's have a contest!

Anyway, the ACLU: They are a mite slippery on gun control, that's for sure. But then, anyone who protects the Constitution's a friend of mine, no matter how lunatic their politics are

[WissNX01]

ACLU is a communist front organization to socialize America. They are anti-religion, anti-captializm bastards.

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by WissNX01

ACLU is a communist front organization to socialize America. They are anti-religion, anti-captializm bastards.

That's quite an opinion you have there. Care to provide anything to back that outrageous claim up?

[WissNX01]

They are suing the county of LA to remove a cross from thier seal, somthing that hasnt bothered anyone before. They have also sued numerous others for the same thing. Helping that anti-pledge guy Michael Newdow from San Fransisco to get rid of the Pledge of Alegeance.

[WissNX01]

HOws it outrageous, its my opinion?

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by WissNX01

HOws it outrageous, its my opinion?

Well, a 'communist front organisation' is a pretty ridiculous claim,unless you have anything more than obnoxious slander to back it up with....

[WissNX01]

Anyone that lives in the USA, and has a friggin brain, that works correctly, knows the ACLU is just there to sue everyone for everything. Like I said, its my opinion, and I know for a fact Im not the only one that thinks that.

[taranaki]

So you don't have any facts to back up your opinion?Your man George was of the opinion that Saddam was fair falling over the stockpiles of WMD...in fact he asserted that they had them sitting there ready to deploy at 45 minutes notice...

Of course,that was HIS opinion,and we all know what a dick he made of himself over that one........

[WissNX01]

Bush? I never even meantioned him. Again, a Bush basher without promting! That is awesome!
I was talking about the ACLU, instead, once again, you make it a personal attack against me, like I voted for the guy.
Look, I dont like the ACLU, I dont respect what they do, I dont like how they go about achieving thier goals. I dont like tomatos, cause they are slimy on the inside, (kinda like politicians on the outside) but who cares about that?
I dont like liberalism or socialism. I dont like chest hair, either. Are you going to debate me on those, and the political ramifications of my opinion? I kinda hope so.
If I really wanted to go look for stuff I disagree with the ACLU for, I would, but only two or three things pop into my head. I dont care about them, I try not to give them much thought. That is my opinion. And they are still socialists.

[WissNX01]

As far as things 'poping into my head' That leaves stuff open for some good personal attacks.