If You Could Swap Any Engine Into A 90 Hatch...

[DJHyperXK2000]

What would it be, im real sick of this 1.5 engine, this thing is too dam slow... Im sick of all these kids beatin me all the time... Even some kid in his ugly ass, old cavaler, with a bunch of kids in his car beat me.. whats the best thats fits, is sohc better than dohc, cuase i plan on putting in a turbo, cuase i hate them kids in those wrx too... so what should i do...
better yet, if this was your car what would you do and why, then how do I get started??

[civic_boy91]

C32A 3.2 24V DOHC VTEC ... .... yes mad NSX power.... tell me when you are done...lol

[Santas90Si]

Stick a 302 in it....

[icE_x]

ya, ppl beat my 1.6L all the time - i'm just happy for the awesome gas mileage! If i really wanted to race, i'd take my 2003 camry v6 n spank em. If my parents were to mod that thing out, it'd be sickkkkk...Dang old ppl n their nice cars they never race...

But anyway, for the civic i'd get a LS-R/LS-VTEC/"FRANKENSTEIN" DOHC 1.8L VTEC - aka H22. Info on the engines n stuff is found here:

http://www.4thgenerationcivic.com/engines/engines1.htm

it's close to the bottom, and if it runs 13's stock, and you added some mods, you could definitely do some street or track racing damage.


B16a - DOHC 1.6L VTEC might be another alternative, 160hp running 14s stock sounds nice...


Really, how fast you wanna make the car go will depend on how much money you have to spend.

[viridion]

350 RWD swap.

it's doable.

[audioquattro]

Originally Posted by icE_x

B16a - DOHC 1.6L VTEC might be another alternative, 160hp running 14s stock sounds nice...

b16 is nothing but hype....it is a tourqeless weiner of an engine

i used to spank a couple b16 rex's in my city with my 240
much more heavy of a car with less hp stock to stock than a b16

go b20, generally a cheaper engine and you will LOVE it


i dont see what all the hype is with kids and vtec....vtec blows

and i dont recall ever hearing a b16 pulling 14's without decent mods, i could be wrong but i dont think so....

[civickiller]

get a b18c1 or gsr engine build it and slap a turbo kit on there, get it tuned real good, you can push 400whp on pump gas but might not have traction so a better goal is around 300whp

[civic_boy91]

how about D16Z6? slap a turbo kit on there and get it tuned, and now you have a bad ass little car.

[SiZ]

Originally Posted by audioquattro

b16 is nothing but hype....it is a tourqeless weiner of an engine

i used to spank a couple b16 rex's in my city with my 240
much more heavy of a car with less hp stock to stock than a b16

go b20, generally a cheaper engine and you will LOVE it


i dont see what all the hype is with kids and vtec....vtec blows

and i dont recall ever hearing a b16 pulling 14's without decent mods, i could be wrong but i dont think so....

Oh my god.. Here we go.
You used to beat B16 rexes with a 240? Well, hate to break it to you but they weren't running right or they weren't racing you.

B20s are more expensive than 1st gen B16s, so I don't really know what the fuck you're talking about there.

VTEC doesn't blow and its not hype.. People getting on the "torque wins races" B.S. is hype. These are people that don't understand the relationship between torque and HP and how irrelevant how much power the B16 makes below 6,000rpm is.

Oh, and you must be hanging out with guys with crappy running B16s. My 91 hatch runs 14.9@93mph with just an exhaust. As you can see, I'm seriously lacking traction.

And to the original question. My answer would be a 1st gen B16 with a 1.8L block from an LS or GSR. Nice and cheap build to be low 14s, high 13s.

[bambam89lx]

Originally Posted by SiZ

Oh my god.. Here we go.

B20s are more expensive than 1st gen B16s, so I don't really know what the fuck you're talking about there.

Sorry, I'm going to assume ur talking about CRVTec because a B20 alone is alot cheaper than a B16a. I also love the fact that I get amazing gas mileage with it, it had only 27k on it, and I can pull hard on b16's thru 3rd gear. That may not be much to brag about to you but it is to me. Keep in mind that I'm doing this with only an intake and exhaust...I think I can take them now with my ITR header, cat, and FPR or at least pull on them thru 4th now. I know that i just need a little more topend power to continue pulling on them.
Next year my B20 non-vtec WILL be vtec. which costs thousands to do. So, if that's what ur talking about then ur right. But if ur just talking about a B20 without a vtec head swap...then ur wrong. They're pretty cheap.

IMO, the best motor would be a B20 with a vtec head....can beat anything.....as long as it's built right. Have you see the Honda 2.0 liter challenge? It hosted an S2000, EK9 b20 w/CTR head, and an accord euro-R with H22. Keep in mind all these cars were fully built n' tuned, etc. Guess who won? Yep, the EK9 hatch. It smoked the others.
I believe a CRVtec can do 13's stock.

In the end...the motor you choose all depends on the ultimate goal you have for ur car...street or track, show or go, reliability or something that requires a lot of tuning frequently.

I will agree on Siz with ONE thing....the B16a is the BEST all around motor for the price and tunability and as a good starting point. But there are many options. A Z6 or Y8 or some kind of Mini-me combo can work really nice too....especially with a turbo.

[DJHyperXK2000]

IMO, the best motor would be a B20 with a vtec head....can beat anything.....as long as it's built right.

So this is the best set up??

this one looks very nice too...

"B18C
98 Spec-R 1797cc
4 cyl, 16valve
DOHC VTEC
10.0:1 c.r
210 bhp @ 8100
Redline: 8900 rpm"

Im def lookin for street use.. posibly once on the track 2 see what she runs..

AND def has 2 be reliable, cuase its my daily driver..

Ill be redoing the brakes, and susp. 1st but i wanna get going on what engine to start looking for!!

as soon as i figure out how to upload pics to the gallery, ill trow them up here and show what it looks like now.........

[Hybrid1990crx]

Originally Posted by audioquattro

b16 is nothing but hype....it is a tourqeless weiner of an engine

i used to spank a couple b16 rex's in my city with my 240
much more heavy of a car with less hp stock to stock than a b16

go b20, generally a cheaper engine and you will LOVE it


i dont see what all the hype is with kids and vtec....vtec blows

and i dont recall ever hearing a b16 pulling 14's without decent mods, i could be wrong but i dont think so....

HAHAHA. I guess its pretty easy blurting out a bunch of crap you read on these forums from kids who know just as much as you.....which is about NOTHING. And like SiZ says, those b16's must of looked over and saw some riced out 240 reving at them and didn't even bother racing you. Typical ricer. Get some more hands on knowledge and then come back and then maybe you won't get ragged on.


Now to get back to the topic is this thread, I would say that the b20 is a great motor, and even better with a vtec head slapped onto it, but unless you have a good amount of experience building up motors, I wouldn't recomend this to you. Sure the straight up b20 would be fairly easy to do, but the CRvtec is were it gets tricky. I had a friend who had a ls/vtec motor that he build himself and he ended up spinning a bearing and destroying his motor. Obviously because he didn't build it right. And to build it right its going to cost a good bit of money, like BamBam said.

So for my opinion, I'd say do a b16 swap, or if you really have the money do a b18c1 swap. And if you want more speed, this is were boost comes into play......you have so many options with honda's its not even funny. As my favorite quote goes....."Honda's are like legos..."

[SiZ]

Don't assume anything, it makes an ass out of u and me.

I wasn't talking about the B20VTEC. Why would I be? Did I say that. I'm not making shit up, I'm speaking from personal experience. I payed $1250 for my B16, motor tranny, ECU. I WAS going to get the B20, but it was $1700 for motor, trannny, ECU and the tranny and ECU are usless to me so it would be a shitload more money to get the B20 working right in my car. Here's a link. I can't find more because I don't know where people buy motors from really.. B20s are increasinly popular so they keep getting more expensive, and 1st gen B16s are cheap because we and G2 Tegs are the only ones that can really make use of them.
1st gen B16 - $599 - B20 - $699
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...Engines&hit=20

Also, don't assume that the guy just slapped a B16B head on the B20 block and away you go to 13s its really not that easy. I don't know how much research you've done about CRVTEC, but I suggest you do a LOT of reading. If you want it to be reliable on a daily basis its going to be quite expensive. If you just slap a head on and are on your way, well.. Watch out.

I see CRV blocks selling all the time for $700, sometimes more. I see B18 blocks selling all the time for anywhere between $2-400. I'll take the extra $500 in savings to build the B18 block for my B16A head.

These are the facts.

[Hybrid1990crx]

Originally Posted by DJHyperXK2000

So this is the best set up??

this one looks very nice too...

"B18C
98 Spec-R 1797cc
4 cyl, 16valve
DOHC VTEC
10.0:1 c.r
210 bhp @ 8100
Redline: 8900 rpm"

Im def lookin for street use.. posibly once on the track 2 see what she runs..

No No No. That motor is a damn waste of money. I mean, don't get me wrong, its an EXCELENT motor, but the swap alone will cost you $5,000 and thats if you do it yourself. You'd be better off doing a b16, or b18c1 swap, and then using the extra cash left over to do mods.

[DJHyperXK2000]

what about the LS-R/LS-VTEC/"FRANKENSTEIN" DOHC 1.8L VTEC ??