Kerry and his minimum wage raise

[TexasF355F1]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...on_el_pr/kerry

Doesn't seem very smart if he plans on creating his supposed 10 million new jobs. It would be an excuse for employers to fire or lay people off, and have other look for cheaper work from illegal aliens.

[carrrnuttt]

So...the steady increase in salary and perks for top-executives (measured in billions), under the Bush administration's watch, by the same companies that are laying-off workers "for fiscal reasons"...you don't approve of that too, right?

Just wondering, since I never heard you complain about that...

[2strokebloke]

The minimum wage has not been increased for many years, in fact you can't even survive anymore making minimum wage, you'd be below the poverty line.
An increase to the minimum wage is long overdue.
If you get fired because of the minimum wage increase, and you were already only making minimum wage - what is the difference? You couldn't have been able to take care of yourself either way!
God forbid businesses have to take a fractional hit to their profits so that people can get a fair wage.

[TexasF355F1]

I agree that minimum wage is long over due, but I really don't see Kerry being able to reach his 10 million new jobs under his administration. That's all I was saying. I'm not against the wage raise at all. Sorry if I kinda made my stance confusing.

[2strokebloke]

I don't think the minimum wage increase would really be a big issue with trying to create new jobs. If jobs need to be filled, they still need to be filled - even minimum wage jobs. And not all minimum wage jobs are picking onions(etc.) where it'd be easy for somebody to say "screw this, I'm going to hire some illegal immigrants."

[Pick]

I think Kerry thinks it would be nice if he could get votes from the lower income indivuduals in America and this might be way to do just that. But 2stroke is right, minimum wage is an issue that needs to be addressed in the near future. But with the amount of people that are now working out of home, its no wonder that it is a difficult issue.

[Flatrater]

I don't see how John "Flipster" Kerry one man can create 10 million jobs. That's not one of the presidents powers. He cannot make jobs. Only the business owners can make jobs. Its not up to Kerry but up to the business.

As far as the min wage, all I can say is tough shit. Don't make enough to pay the bills lower your standard of living, go to school get a better job. Not enough money get a second job just like I did when I need more money. This is one of the biggest problems with the Americans, they want to sit on their fat asses and get something for nothing, always have the hands out for money.

You want to make more jobs get rid of NAFTA!

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by Flatrater

You want to make more jobs get rid of NAFTA!

Ask Bush...he was the one that signed it into action shortly after his inauguration...

[tenguzero]

Don't make enough to pay the bills lower your standard of living, go to school get a better job. Not enough money get a second job just like I did when I need more money.

Where's the money for the school going to come from? The second job? And between two jobs and school -- maintaining good grades, and enough money to pay off debts incurred for education or living expenses, not to mention the tax filing disadvantages of being a two-wage earner -- how long will it take for someone to become stressed out, tired, disenfranchised, and ready to take any out they are offered. That's when Bankruptcy filing comes into play (which is coincidentally on the rise,) and who pays for the bankruptcy claims? The people who are sitting nice with their jobs, and said "tough shit."

And what about American's "always having their hands out for money." Well, obviously. The values and standards pushed as being acceptable by society as a whole are to blame, and this has a lot more to do than being a "fat ass." Money and power and "things" are what this country has become about, and NO ONE (not even this administration, with its questionable interest in seemingly helping out greedy corporations and shady executives) is above some blame. Hell, instead of doing something like raising wages, this administration lowered Interest rates, and interest rates apply to some sort of debt. Sooooo, isn't that, in a way, encouraging people to take on more debt? It seems to me, that paying them more, is a better (and safer) method than making it easier for them to borrow more

[driftu]

Originally Posted by tenguzero

Where's the money for the school going to come from? The second job? And between two jobs and school -- maintaining good grades, and enough money to pay off debts incurred for education or living expenses, not to mention the tax filing disadvantages of being a two-wage earner -- how long will it take for someone to become stressed out, tired, disenfranchised, and ready to take any out they are offered. That's when Bankruptcy filing comes into play (which is coincidentally on the rise,) and who pays for the bankruptcy claims? The people who are sitting nice with their jobs, and said "tough shit."

And what about American's "always having their hands out for money." Well, obviously. The values and standards pushed as being acceptable by society as a whole are to blame, and this has a lot more to do than being a "fat ass." Money and power and "things" are what this country has become about, and NO ONE (not even this administration, with its questionable interest in seemingly helping out greedy corporations and shady executives) is above some blame. Hell, instead of doing something like raising wages, this administration lowered Interest rates, and interest rates apply to some sort of debt. Sooooo, isn't that, in a way, encouraging people to take on more debt? It seems to me, that paying them more, is a better (and safer) method than making it easier for them to borrow more

[YogsVR4]

Very few families actually reley on minimum wage jobs. The bulk of those type of jobs are school kids. My inlaws run a few small buisnesses and the've told me that if the minimum wage goes up that high they are going to have to let two people go.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Ask Bush...he was the one that signed it into action shortly after his inauguration...

Bush was in office in 94??????????

[lamehonda]

With my limited knowledge of economics I believe that having a minimum wage is a bad idea. If people want to startup a business the minimum wage makes it even harder. Who benefits from the minimum wage: mostly teens saving for their first car. The pay in our economy will pay based on productivity not on what the government sets the wage at. As far as execs are concerned. they make what the company feels they are worth because they have sacrificed family relations and free time because they work nonstop. who cares how much money you make because what is the point if you dont enjoy it. what do you think happens when the execs spend money freely on stupid stuff they don't need? I gets sent back into the economy so suzie can buy johnny his baby formula.

sorry about the length. I have always been curious about this problem and dont feel like the majority of people look at it from the many dimensions that are affected by it.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by DGB454

Bush was in office in 94??????????

Oops...have my Bushes twisted (LMAO).

Poppa Bush signed NAFTA on December 17, 1992 as a "last hurrah", right before Clinton was sworn in. Clinton signed it into law in 1993, after a Republican Congress voted it in. The Democrats voted against it.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104566.html

Baby Bush then met with Mexican President Vicent Fox, right after his inauguration, and expressed his support for his father's deal, and continues to support it to this day. As a matter of fact, Bush Jr. is planning to expand NAFTA, and has come up with CAFTA.

http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__...tm#NAFTA_&_WTO
(notice this last link is from the 2000 campaigns)
http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org...0012trade.html
http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitics...ns05272004.cfm
http://www.counterpunch.org/kyer0912.html

[Pick]

Are you sure you are a conservative Carrnuttt?