realistic drawing

[SeCrEtMoDdEr]

what happened to it???

all these futuristic concepts and toonz being drawn lately

what happened to all the realistic drawings...the ones that look like black and white photos

they're fading away...sum people are still preserving it but barely

i can shit my pants and find a concept drawing ...thats how common they are now...

i dont know why i made this post...just wanted to know if anyone else feels the same way...

long live the wendy's burger!

[asaenz]

Well they take a long time to do, right.

Did you ever post a large pict. of your White Teg.
My neighbor has a white Ford Lightning and he wants me to "realistically" draw the thing. I have never drawn a white vehicle so I wanted to get some ideas from your white teg and from you. If you don't mind

Thx

al

[Ra_15]

^ They do take along time. You don't expect a good 7 hour drawing to come along every day do you? Plus most of us are doing this as a hobby, If it was my job I'd be doing it all the time, but as it is I've got more things to do than just draw, as im sure everyone else has. Concepts and Toonz take <1 hour, so they suit alot of people. One of my Grandad's friends wants me to draw his Morgan, so you can be sure of a good 5 hour+ plus drawing from me. It's also a thing of ability. Not everyone here can draw realistic cars well, and concepts and Toonz are a good way to let your arm flow and to enjoy your self, which is better than leaning over a drawing for 3+ hours, which can get a bit frustrating.

How many have you done? For me 26 sketches in just over a year is enough, and with only 6 or 7 people 'regualy' drawing good quality realistic cars, you can't expect one every day of the year.

[SeCrEtMoDdEr]

i know that it takes a long time for realistic drawings, and concepts and toonz are good practice but there are sooo many now...i dont expect arealistic drawing everyday, not at all, hell i take a long time to do them as well, but i think that if people are drawing toonz and concepts that they should definately move on to trying to draw a realistic car, even it takes them a few more hours...i have a bit more time now, so i'll try to to more of them...

aseanz, once my computer gets fixed, ill post it,,,ohh, hah, nvm i got a pic...its old though, not blended with a tort or stump ...not very happy with it now but here:



edit: damnit, looking at this teg makes me feel embarrased...look at the rims, ewww...damn, i gotta finish sum more cars.

damn computer, it doesnt want to turn on anymore, maybe its from me hitting it all the time cuz it was making funny noises...

[mike@af]

Its because they take so damn long...I have been spending hours and hours working on a realistic drawing. Concept cars are more fun, and quick. I have been doing conceptual art for years, and still do.

[lemorris]

I think trends come and go on this board like they do anywhere.

There is a lot of concepts and toons right now, but 2 weeks ago that wasn't the case.

I also think time is an individual thing. I can put 24 hours in a cartoon easy. The mental time spent in the drawing regardless of methodology or medium is where an artist grows IMO.

You can learn as much from a 20 second sketch as you can from a 20 hour painting. It's a matter of perspective.

About your Drawing:

It's a nice piece and you should be proud of it. Now put it away. Sometimes you can place too much mental emphasis on a drawing and it drains you. It can prevent you from moving forward. When you start selling your work to auto clients on a regular basis they'll beat you up enough. Enjoy yourself. It's fun.

From a standpoint of toons vs realistic. There is no right or wrong. Do what you like. Both are viable forms of art. Cars comes out next fall. Pixar all toons. One is not more valuable than the other. If value is determined by how much money they sell for, it depends on who does it. Thom Taylor's toons aren't cheap just cause their toons. Greg Tedders art isn't expensive because it's realistic. It's because they're good.

My question is:

Where's the paintings?

-Lemorris

[asaenz]

SeCrEtMoDdEr, you should be proud of your teg. It looks great. It is freehand right? Thx for posting it again. I guess I missed it awhile back.

al

Paintings?

waiting on you Lemorris...hee hee

I am building up. I bought a spider man paint color book. I will be using some water colors and get the feel of paint. I figure better to practice on line art first then to spend lots of time drawing cars only to mess them up w/ paint

[SeCrEtMoDdEr]

oooo paint, thats very interesting...unfortunately im a bum and have no cash,dough,green,money,etc. to spend on paint, canvas,brushes, all that

doesn't your wife paint???

[lemorris]

My wife paints big time, and she can draw like you wouldn't believe. However she can't draw a cartoon to save her life. LOLOL

I have seen wonderful automotive paintings, and they are valued at a very high level. The automotive art that is in private collections around the world ranges from stick figure cars, cartoons, drawings and paintings.

I actually have a few watercolor/ Dr. martin dye cars somewhere around here.

Many automotive illustrators use water media to add color to their work. I imagine you can get into a set of watercolors for very little cash.

Ask Santa.

Al,

Look into some liquid mask. It might make all the difference for you.

-Lemorris

[castback]

Originally Posted by lemorris

I have seen wonderful automotive paintings, and they are valued at a very high level.

that reminds me....i have a huge oil painting i did that i havent taken a picure and posted yet....@kustmace- its that eldorado from way back

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by lemorris

I think trends come and go on this board like they do anywhere.

There is a lot of concepts and toons right now, but 2 weeks ago that wasn't the case.

I also think time is an individual thing. I can put 24 hours in a cartoon easy. The mental time spent in the drawing regardless of methodology or medium is where an artist grows IMO.

You can learn as much from a 20 second sketch as you can from a 20 hour painting. It's a matter of perspective.


From a standpoint of toons vs realistic. There is no right or wrong. Do what you like. Both are viable forms of art. Cars comes out next fall. Pixar all toons. One is not more valuable than the other. If value is determined by how much money they sell for, it depends on who does it. Thom Taylor's toons aren't cheap just cause their toons. Greg Tedders art isn't expensive because it's realistic. It's because they're good.


-Lemorris

yes. to all of this.

i, too, work in trends: i may be on a realism kick for like 5 months. then i suddenly get a creative urge to make concept cars. as for me, i have done more of the former -realistic drawings. so i am personally sick of it. and i don't need to prove a damn thing to anyone or myself because i can already do it. i don't think mechanical mimesis of a photo is necessarily the body of work that i'd feel most proud of insofar as leaving a legacy. i'm far more interested in creating the new designs or images that others will mimic and copy. a "leader."

i think to develop the skill to render realism, however, is paramount and i encourage everyone here to mimic and render in reality for as long as it takes. and this, too, can be creative in that you, the artist as creator, can choose the angle, the compostion, color scheme, etc, in any realism scenario. the bar is further raised if this is executed mechanically masterfully, with the scene being of an original idea from the illustrator's own camera.

mastery is evident, too, when mechanical draftsmanship becomes a matter-of-fact; ie, is so good that the process is invisible and a given. then, going even deeper into the art and craft process, the artist begins to manipulate a raw reference model and/or photo into a heretofore non-existent compostion replete with mind-blowing lighting effects and enviromental architecture or plant-life.

this is what renaissance masters attained and held sacred: realism. yet higher yet was regarded the essence of poetry, story, emotive force, creative illusion, social commentary, high-art --all for sale within the enlightened mastery of materials and science. this idea, in my sincerist view, is the ulitmate marriage of the experiencial immersion of the artist within the creative mind and state of spiritual being. it is a dance of both the mind and the heart, the real with the unreal, the tenable with the sublime, that garners an overall impression of mastery and attraction to the work without any clear definition of why one is so attracted to it.

[lemorris]

ya damn right!

you know they say that Bonzelite is one bad mutha (shut'cho mouf!!) I'm just talkin bout Bonz.

For real though I agree.

You can't pull off a convincing cartoon if you can't draw for real in the first place. As I continue to develop I see more and more. I watch as my wife explores things like the flemish techniques they used in the late 1800's and it's pretty apparent that if she didn't know how to draw the horse and landscape in the first place she wouldn't be able to achieve the painterly effects that define her style in her work.

I especially like your "mimic" line bonz. No matter how long it takes. That's awesome. For me the "how long" is always. If you ever get to the point where you have nothing else to learn....you're dead.

-Lemorris

[mike@af]

I'd like to make another statement. With realistic drawings you arent as "free" to just do what ever you want, you have to follow the picture. With sketching I can get into this "zone" and just sit there for hours just feeling my arm race across the paper with really wild, loose lines. Hell, I was up until 3:30 last night sketching...(but half the sketches suck).

[GAMsALeh]

GTmike, i don't think i've seen any of you drawings, can you post some?
I just realised the 200 odd thousand post! you really posted that much?

Thanks.

[mike@af]

Originally Posted by GAMsALeh

GTmike, i don't think i've seen any of you drawings, can you post some?
I just realised the 200 odd thousand post! you really posted that much?

Thanks.

I have posted some about a year ago...for me drawing comes in phases. Some seasons I will draw, others I wont.

I might post some of the sketches, but a lot of them are not very good.

The 200,000...long story.