Michael Moore???

[chaser29]

Is Michael Moore a thorn in the Goverments???

June 20th, 2004
What Fahrenheit 9/11 Says About the Saudi Flights Out of the Country After September 11

WHAT THE FILM SAYS:


Sen. Byron Dorgan: We had some airplanes authorized at the highest levels of our government to fly to pick up Osama Bin Laden's family members and others from Saudi Arabia and transport them out of this country.

Narration: It turns out that the White House approved planes to pick up the bin Ladens and numerous other Saudis. At least six private jets and nearly two dozen commercial planes carried the Saudis and the Bin ladens out of the U.S. after September 13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country.



Additionally, in an interview with author Craig Unger, the film makes reference to the fact that these individuals were briefly interviewed before they were allowed to leave.



First, the US Customs and Border Protection document released by the Department of Homeland Security under the FOIA, Feb 24, 2004 lists 162 Saudi Nationals who flew out of the country between 9.11.2001 and 9.15.2001.

Second, even though Fahrenheit does not make the allegation, on June 9, 2004, news reports confirmed that, "Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left. The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky. The Saudis then took another flight out of the country."

Moreover, "For nearly three years, White House, aviation and law enforcement officials have insisted the flight never took place and have denied published reports and widespread Internet speculation about its purpose... The terrorism panel, better known as the 9/11 Commission, said in April that it knew of six chartered flights with 142 people aboard, mostly Saudis, that left the United States between Sept. 14 and 24, 2001. But it has said nothing about the Tampa flightɠThe 9/11 Commission, which has said the flights out of the United States were handled appropriately by the FBI, appears concerned with the handling of the Tampa flight.

"Most of the aircraft allowed to fly in U.S. airspace on Sept. 13 were empty airliners being ferried from the airports where they made quick landings on Sept. 11. The reopening of the airspace included paid charter flights, but not private, nonrevenue flights." Jean Heller, TIA now verifies flight of Saudis; The government has long denied that two days after the 9/11 attacks, the three were allowed to fly.
St. Petersburg Times, June 9, 2004


Just wondering what evryone's thoughts were??

[TexasF355F1]

He's an idiot and a douche bag. Now to see what Dave has to say about him............................................... .................................................. ..................................again.

[taranaki]

Anyone who dIsagrees with Republicans is an idiot according to some in this forum.I'd rather trust a documentary maker than a politician.

[Murco]

Originally Posted by taranaki

Anyone who dIsagrees with Republicans is an idiot according to some in this forum.I'd rather trust a documentary maker than a politician.

I wouldn't be so quick as to call a Moore film a "documentary". His last film "bowling for columbine" was filled with misquotes, distortions, and flat-out lies. The guy is a socialist who hates America's wealthy and would have us all living in 10' x 10' shacks with a 40-watt light bulb if given the chance.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Murco

I wouldn't be so quick as to call a Moore film a "documentary".

Why not?His latest film won the top prize at the Cannes International Film Festival.I'd reccomend that you go and see it,if only to have some basis for your negative comments that isn't lifted from some ultra right wing hate site somewhere.

His last film "bowling for columbine" was filled with misquotes, distortions, and flat-out lies. The guy is a socialist who hates America's wealthy and would have us all living in 10' x 10' shacks with a 40-watt light bulb if given the chance.

Strange,you must be referring to a different 'Bowling for Columbine' than the one that I have on video right this minute.Have you actually seen it,or are you just parrotting other peoples' ignorance?Moore comes across as credible,genuine,humanitarian and honest.Maybe Bush could hire him to improve his image.

[lazysmurff]

actually, MM does take quite a few things out of context and mis represents alot in bowling, like many of hestons speeches (he's still a douche) and the whole opening scene.

still a good film, but its spin just like everything else

[2strokebloke]

This would have been more interesting if we were talking about jets carrying the Saudis and Bin Ladens out of the country, instead of whether or not MM is a good documentary maker.

[RedLightning]

Just interesting related news is that ray rabury the author of Fahrenheit 457(or is it 451?) wants MM to change his title of his movie.

Originally Posted by taranaki

Why not?His latest film won the top prize at the Cannes International Film Festival.

Just wondering isnt that a French fling? I heard that somewhere.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

This would have been more interesting if we were talking about jets carrying the Saudis and Bin Ladens out of the country, instead of whether or not MM is a good documentary maker.

He doesn't make documentaries, he makes propaganda. He is far from credible and even farther from honest

[2strokebloke]

Texas, what he has filmed is REAL. whether or not the opinion he tries to get across with what he has filmed is valid or not, is anyone's guess.
What he presents are actual events, not scripted propaganda - how he presents it - well that's something alltogether different now isn't it?
I'm not going to say his opinion is correct), but to suggest that it's not a documentary is somewhat rediculous, since the movies are made up of documentation of real events. Personally, I think he is somewhat of a jerk, but that has little to do with his movies - just how he makes them.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

Texas, what he has filmed is REAL. whether or not the opinion he tries to get across with what he has filmed is valid or not, is anyone's guess.
What he presents are actual events, not scripted propaganda - how he presents it - well that's something alltogether different now isn't it?
I'm not going to say his opinion is correct), but to suggest that it's not a documentary is somewhat rediculous, since the movies are made up of documentation of real events. Personally, I think he is somewhat of a jerk, but that has little to do with his movies - just how he makes them.

I'm not disputing that at all. But the point he tries to get across I believe would be considered as propaganda. But then again, sometimes its hard to distinguish b/w what's a documentary and what's propaganda.

[RedLightning]

His documentary by some is called propaganda and others call it correct, just like this thread- http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=230631

thats the problem with these forums, if it does not agree with you its propaganda if it does, its not. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=propaganda after you read this you will figure out that it is propaganda.

[2strokebloke]

I still don't see it as propaganda, I doubt he's going to "convert" anyone who doesn't already believe what he has to say. I see it more as an editorial piece, presented as a film.
He's trying to get his opinion across, but it doesn't seem like he asking people to take action and join him - but I haven't seen the movie yet so I can't be 100% sure, perhaps he's started a religion and is recruiting people with this movie!

[driftu]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

He doesn't make documentaries, he makes propaganda. He is far from credible and even farther from honest

it is only propaganda if it the popular idea. funny to see people who don't like his work though. we love the guy in canada.

here is something for you all to remember though it is his opinion. leave him to it like he leaves you to yours.

[Murco]

Originally Posted by driftu

We love the guy in canada...

LOL, there was little dought in my mind!!