Eclipse VS 'Lude/Integ...is Honda getting boring?

[Shpyder]

Hi people. This is not a hate mail, or a rant and rave. I just don't understand Honda.

Honda makes some of the best looking, most economical cars in the world, with transmissions to envy and engines to copy. But why arent some of their cars exciting??

I'm talking specifically about Eclipses VS Preludes or Integs. Why the hell doesn't Honda join the bandwagon and stop stuffing VTec crap into every engine and do some turbocharging? Granted, VTec technology is good, and Honda engines are meant to last lifetimes, as are their trannies. But why can't they make exciting cars? If a indebted co. like Mitsubishi can come up with cars like the 3000GT SL Spyder (AWD Twin-Turbo 4-wheel steering) and the Eclipse AWD GSX, why the hell is Honda holding back? Sure, the NSX is cool. but you cannot compare it to the 3000GT in any way, track or street. The S2000 rocks though, but its not in the college guy affordable range. Please, dont feed me, "Whatever, the NSX...or Integ Type-R, Prelude SI...etc would kill u on the road, etc." I know these cars have bulletproof reliability and awesome quality, but 30mpg stickers and VTec @ redline is not something that excites me! Is anyone on the same page as me here ? It is important to realize that this isnt a hate posting, I just don't get Honda.

Mitsubishi has had terrible QC issues all thru its history here and isnt the best brand out there. Hondas answer to the Eclipse GSX was the Prelude SI and the Acura Integra Type-R? Give me a break, please. Atleast Toyota came out with the Celica convertible. I know Honda is capable of so much more. Imagine if Honda came out with a ride in direct competition with the Eclipse turbos, with a convertible and turbo option. A 2.2 VTec stock turbo Spyder from Honda...that would be crazy!

Someone throw me a bone here. Toyota's gone nuts with their stupid looking Scion BbX box crap and Nissan's got that crappy looking 4 dr Sentra SE-R (to compete with what? the EVO?? lol).

[dbebesi]

i agree honda needs to meet the challenge a little bit, but the majority of the people would take reliabilty over speed anyday (not many in this forum[myself included], but everyday people). if they turbocharged a lude or teg, it would most likely be bought by someone who drove it hard and the motor would blow, just like the peice of shit dsm motors. and then honda would be labeled as unreliable as a mitsu.... and there sales would suck as much as mitzubitis. and you wouldn't post here if you wern't looking to piss someone off, i don't believe you for a second

[AcesHigh]

Actually, Honda's answer to the GSX was the Prelude Type R and S (220hp with ATTS/LSD), which do waste the poor DSM. However you have to realize that Honda is a mature driver's car, and always has been. It was never meant to be a boy racer toy, and the Civic/Integra phenomenon was just a fluke.

The VR4 is hardly affordable to any college kid. With a base price of $45,000, you must be talking about buying an old one. You can't compare a used car with a new one. The $27,000 GSX pricetag is a little more on the ball here, but you could easily say that the S2000 would be as affordable when it becomes used. Or maybe not, because Hondas hold their values better than Mitsus do.

Bottom line is that if you really want a car with a turbo and AWD, then pass over Honda and get an EVO 8 or STi. If you are talking about getting a used car, then I wouldn't skip a Prelude VTEC as an option over a GSX just yet. As a former Talon TSI AWD owner, I will tell you that at around and over 100k miles these things become riddled with problems, both major and minor.

Also, that comment about Toyota only having the Celica convertible was totally unfounded. Two cars come to mind immediately, being the Supra and MR2 Turbo.

[Shpyder]

Not really dbebesi, my entire clan owns hondas! About the Hondas holding vlaue, oh my god that isnt even funny. My cousin bought a used 99 Galant GTZ with 80,000 miles for $7000. That sort of depreciation is crazy.

As for the Supra, I cant compare it to a GSX, ofcourse not, thats 3000 category, and the MR2 was a bit of S2000 class...the only Toyota car that I think is with the Eclipse/Prelude/Integ competition class was the Celica...no?

Okay so educate me. Where can I get info on your Prelude Type-R-S LSD thing on the web...? I'd like to do more research I'm thinking of getting another ride. I bet these sepcial edition Prelude is pretty rare. I think the 97+ Preludes are ugly as hell, and the ones you guys have in your signiture pics above are the best shapes honda has come out with. The S and R came out in those shapes right? (hopefully)?

shum.

[rubix777]

I think Honda might appear to be behind in the game because they haven't used turbocharging yet, however, I think this is just one of the two directions toward getting power.

Other automotive companies use forced induction to gain more power by sacrificing reliability during the higher miles and they might have an advantage there by saving on production costs and because most people don't drive their brand new car until it's all broken down. Thus, the people who buy the cars first hand usually don't see the effects of high mileage on these cars.

We don't know which direction will be better in the end, but we know that they have high resale value for a reason.

If Honda switched to forced induction right now, they'd surely be ahead of the the competition because they've already done research on many possibilities using all motor.

[smokeymicpot]

this is a joke i hate dsm they never last and honda's resale sucks ass think about it what resale win you get in to a real car honda has nothing. bmw audi and all the big names now thats same resale... and look at bmw you dsm guys they dont use turbos and there m3 and m5 is one of the fastest cars in the world and i blow away my friends lude si 2.1 with my bmw wiht m3 motor swap he was like 5 cars back both companys need to work on things. oh yeah dsm dont stand up either there like dogs all over the road my friend had one and at 115 the car win't wired and lost control and win't throw a building.

[del]

there is NO such thing as a prelude type R fellas. doesn't exist, never has, and never will. prelude type s is not available in the US. yeah, it sucks.

why is honda holding back? what makes you think they are, coz they don't have a sports car other than a $30k roadster and an overpriced has-been such as the NSX??? i love the NSX but it's aged and needs to be Xed or replaced. the competition leaves it in the dust. hopefully honda will pull the trigger on the HSC, we shall see.

as far as honda being boring, if you want to see boring, take a look at toyota's current line up. the celica has been discontinued FYI.

i also think we'll see a mass-produced honda V8 before we see a turbocharged factory honda.

[510prelude]

"as far as honda being boring, if you want to see boring, take a look at toyota's current line up. the celica has been discontinued FYI." del.

i honostly think the Scion TC isnt that bad

[Shpyder]

Well, smokeymipot, go to the merc.benz forum and read my thread under S-Class. There are 4 German cars in my immediate family: a 96 S 320, a 98 E320, a 1998 Audi A4 and a 98 Bimmer 740iL. These German cars drive awesome and are very comforatble. Dont even tell me about quality though, okay? They suck ass. These over-priced pieces of crap start falling apart the minute they leave the factory. You talk about quality? What sort of car fux up the way I have described in my Benz post? Go read it man. Straight outta the factory and these lame ass snob-mobiles fuse a light, their gauges stop working, door locks f up, windows don't roll down , blah blah. This is from first hand experience with more tha 4 cars in my household. HONDA knows how to make cars, no doubt about that. Their fcking engineering will see you thru to the next life. Screw BMW and Benz. They feed ppl like you the "snob appeal" crap. I lived in Hamburg, Germany where these lame ass cars do not even sell bro.

del: ahaha, yeah man, holy crap! What the hell is Toyota doing? Theyre like "lets make really ugly cars, maybe reverse phsyc. will sell em!",.....uh...no thanx! See, the thing with the NSX , is that for the money, its not crap! Serioudly, okay, sure, you get Honda reliability and rock solid engineeering...but for that price, see what a Supra TT or a 3000 TT offers, both in technology and power...know what I mean? Its like me buying a $2000 Sony VAIO with a stupid ass 32MB shared video card.... for that price, Dell could build me a system that would outperform the VAIO in every way.

510prelude: I agree, the tC is a LOT better. I actually like it. I don't know, I think I'm starting to like Elements too though...I saw a black one lowered with 18" hyperblack 5Zigens...tinted and stuff....guys, it looked pretty sweet. My brother went to Japan a few months ago, and he told me the cool thing there was to own a freakin minivan..yes guys, a minivan . I think the Element and the bX wont last in the American market as far as their target audience is concerened. I mean, what American kid would pick a box over something like an eclipse or a mustang or a lude? Defies me.

Hay, so about the prelude Type whatever....its not made here? That sucks... JDM always gets good sht.

[Shpyder]

smokeymicpot , go here:


http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=244854

[AcesHigh]

The SiR is the Prelude Type R. And no, these were never available in the United States, so I guess it really doesn't count.

The Toyota MR2 Turbo is in GSX price range, if that means anything. But I really wouldn't put it in S2000 class, as the only thing similar in the two is the rear wheel drive. I wouldn't put any car it any class, actually, except for pricing.

As for the current lineup, Toyota and Honda are no longer in the market for performance sport cars. Look to Subaru and Mitsubishi if you want that. Toyota and Honda are finally maturing and are moving onto luxury and environment friendly eco cars. And frankly, I hope they never go back. Not to say that this is the end, because Toyota has unveiled plans for a 600hp hybrid that may have the Supra nameplate.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I would rather take a used BMW 3 series over an S2000 anyways. There's more to a car than being really fast.

[AcesHigh]

Shpyder, you need to get into a BMW and drive it to really know why people buy Beamers and Benzes. Everything from the seats to steering has a certain feeling to it. Everything is clean and crisp, and even closing the door has a very secure and confident sound to it. Only now has Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti been able to imitate that, but does not yet have the feel like these Germanic cars do. Audi and Volkswagon are excluded from this statement.

I am a converted boy racer to corporate snob car whore.

[Cro]

Ummm Shpyder you must have lived in a really bad area of Hamburg if you thought that benzes dont sell there... I also used to live there and i can show you neighborhoods/streets where almost every household has a benz or bmw.

[SBallerk2]

damn that's a nice azz Ecplise....

[rubix777]

That's why when I get the money, I'm getting an M3, M5, Lamborg diablo, lancer evo, subaru sti, NSX.