Promise Keepers

[asaenz]

Just wanted to say I went to a Promise Keepers conference.

It was awesome. I would recommend it to anybody esp. married men and fathers.

I had a great time as I learned about God, loving people, and loving my wife.

http://www.promisekeepers.org

al

[indyram]

Where did you go they usually put on a great conference. Would also recomend.

[youngvr4]

never heard of it

[DGB454]

I will be going next time they have one in my area.

[thegladhatter]

Great organization...life changing programs! Well worth a visit!

[CarSuperfreak]

my dad went to one a few years back, there hasnt been one in our area for a while....

[lazysmurff]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

never heard of it

from reading the link, ive gathered that basically they are an organization that believes everything in the world that is wrong is a result of our "break from god" via adam (apparently it wasnt eve's fault?)
and that the only way the world will ever get back to being "good" again is if we all become rather uptight christians.

what i knew before i went to website: christian organization for men that do a lot of good restoring father/son, husband/wife, guy/community, relationships through christ.

overall: im offended that they think everyone has to become christian for the world to be what they think is good, but im sure they seek only to do what they feel is right, and they have made a difference for some people, and for that they cannot be faulted.

[DGB454]

Don't be offended by it. Keep in mind that they are from a different viewpoint than you. It's like any orginization. They all believe that you will be better if you believe their way. What I understand about Promise Keepers from people I have spoken to that have attended is that one of the biggest things they get out of it is how to be an honorable man. How to be a leader in your home and community. Not bad traits to have reguardless of what side of the fence you are on. After all what is a man without honor?

[l33tc4k30fd00m]

Promise Keepers??

Haha, okay.

[DGB454]

no clue huh?

[chaser29]

Never heard of it, well at least that one.

{one of the biggest things they get out of it is how to be an honorable man. How to be a leader in your home and community. Not bad traits to have reguardless of what side of the fence you are on. After all what is a man without honor.}

One does not have to be apart of a church, inorder to have these qualities, or that of any organization telling one how to have these qualities..

I am sure the organization means well, so I can not judge, what I dont know, but I still believe what I believe.

[indyram]

DGB pretty much has the idea. You don't have to be a christian. They don't sit and preach to you the whole time about becoming one. They put the option out there and the rest is to you. A big point of it is to find out who you are and to better yourself as a man, father, husband whichever role you are in. They basically give you an idea to start with and expand on it. Might not make the most sense I am tired.

[asaenz]

Originally Posted by indyram

Where did you go they usually put on a great conference. Would also recomend.

Hi Indyram,

I went to the one in Greensboro NC.

overall: im offended that they think everyone has to become christian for the world to be what they think is good, but im sure they seek only to do what they feel is right, and they have made a difference for some people, and for that they cannot be faulted.

Hi Lazysmurff,

You know that brings a good point up.

A person can definetly be a good husband/father possesing traits such as, honor, love, selfcontrol, selfsacrafice, and etc. w/o knowing Christ.

I asked my friend this once, "How do you explain good marriages and such when people aren't followers of Christ?"

He answered, "Gods principals apply no matter if you are a Christian or not."

That means one can following the principals and reap benefits w/o being Christian.

Take for instance Dr. Phil one of the things he pushes is responsiblity for our own actions and not blaming others for the choices we make well guess what those principals are in the Bible too. Once someone said every sound principal and wisdom-saying can be found in the Bible. I think that is true, IMHO. Of course others will disagree, and I have no problems w/ that.

Lazysmurff, I am glad you feel you can voice your opinion. One of the things I dislike is when a person voices a view and a Christian goes off at the mouth making himself/herself look foolish in front of others.

It is crazy how the media always gets a wacked out Christain--someone that gets all emotional and doesn't think before speaking--to be interviewed (like new movie "Saved") and makes us all look bad.
But that is another topic...hee hee

Anyway I think I have yapped enough

alfred

[lazysmurff]

dont get me wrong man, i've stated several times that i think christ was a great guy, and he did alot of fantastic things, i just dont buy organized religion.

i think the majority of the world really tries to live by the principles outlined in all the major religions (be true to your fellow man, dont kill, dont steal, etc) and i see promise keepers as just another way for people to do that.

but what i gathered from their site was that they feel we MUST be christian for anything to change (and fairly fundamentalist at that). maybe its not as bad as i think.

like i said, they seem to dearly be trying to make the world a better place, and for that, they have my utmost approval

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by lazysmurff

dont get me wrong man, i've stated several times that i think christ was a great guy, and he did alot of fantastic things, i just dont buy organized religion.

If Christ was just a great guy, then He would be a liar. He claimed to be a bit more than that. A liar can't be considered all that great of a guy can he?

Christ is MUCH more than a great guy.