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#1
01-23-2002, 04:15 PM
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Alright, What exactly is the "Ultimate Civic"
I didn't think this was neccesary but frankly I'm pissed at everyone's narrow-mindedness with the project. The following is NOT an opinion, it's what the ultimate cyber civic SHOULD be to accomplish its original goal. To cover almost every topic we could get into while building a car. Because after all, this is a learning experience.
The Ultimate Civic (ON A BUDGET) should be everything. It should be as versatile as possible. It should be able a street racer, show winner, cone carver. It needs every aspect modified to within our financial limits. And we need to distribute all the finances EVENLY throughout the project. We can't spend 10 grand just on the engine. We're not building the ultimate friggin race car here. 1. "Street Racer": It needs a bad-ass engine with bad-ass goodies whether it be FI or NA. It needs to be faster than your average civic to within our financial limits. 2. "Cone Carver": It needs a tricked-out suspensen, brakes, cooling, ect. Basically most everything performance and non-engine. All within our financial limits. 3. "Show Winner": It needs to be able to atleast fit in at an import show. To do that it SHOULD have a body kit (Seeing as that's the biggest exterior mod you can get), it needs rims, maybe not paint (expensive), needs interior done up (Which includes making it look like it was actually modified, not throw a few gauges in it and shift knob) and it NEEDS ICE. We cannot have an ultimate civic with an $800 system. Some head units are more than that. It should have a head unit, speakers, amps, and probably atleast 2 10's. All within our financial limits. BTW, Please don't whittle down the prices for everything to absolute cheapest price you've seen at billy bob's import emporium. The prices used should be the average market price because that's what the average joe would most likely pay. This is a project civic, This is noone's civic and this is everyone's civic. This is the civic the average joe can make for $20,000 and should encompass EVERYONE's interests. Obviously there will be differing opinions but "The Ultimate Civic" is not subjective. It's modifying EVERY aspect of the car according to what's popular at the moment. You need to have engine upgrades that most ppl will like, you need to have suspensions that most ppl will like and you NEED to make it show-worthy according to what most ppl in the show area will like. Think of it as a multiple-personality civic. A civic that's a mixture of everyone's likes and dislikes. Because this civic is EVERYONE's, we can't design it according to what a specific group of ppl want. We should design it the way the overwhelming majority wants it and because of this, not everyone will be happy with every single choice that has been made. But the goal is to satisfy the largest amount of ppl with the overall result. THIS is what the ultimate civic should be to accomplish the original goal of have everyone discuss and learn about the overall modifying process. If you don't agree with me, fine. Make it into a JDM street racer and we'll ignore the other half of the ppl that don't particularly like that. 
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01-23-2002, 04:20 PM
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So i guess pick a car to start with...I'd say a 96-2000 hatch, but since some people don't like hatches and due to the stereo requirements, i would also recommend a 99-2k SI coupe...
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01-23-2002, 07:54 PM
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We've already started the process, check out the post at the top of this forum.
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01-23-2002, 10:25 PM
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see heres where my problem is with all of this. the ultimate civic on a budget of 20,000 has to be aimed more at one thing then another because frankly skimping on anything in any catagory is gonna screw you. if you skimp on the motor you'll get dogged at the track, if you skimp on the suspension you'll get handed at the auto x, if you skimp on the ice your done at the car show.
frankly we all know that the civic is dogged the hardest by every other car owner because of its all show and no go following. im not saying that necessarily a bad thing, but to me i would wanna break the mold and have a civic that runs with vette's and supra's and the likes of them. problem is any power adders or suspension changes or body mods are gonna put you in a different class at an auto x or a car show. then you have to dish out more money for that and this then that then this. see what im saying its a never ending circle of having to add shit to be competative in another sector that screws you in this sector so you have to spend money to compete bla bla bla bla bla. if you throw a 100 shot on this thing sure it will have show appeal and leave you with money for ice and what not but its not gonna be all you can be at the track, it wont help at an auto x, and when the bottle runs out your outa commision on the street till you fill up jon wanted me to post this Quote:
ultimate would be the best of everything in every department and me and you both know its gonna take double if not triple to get it there. i think there needs to be more of an understanding on the specific goals of this car. we all preached about goals and when this came around we forget them in the hype. we need to decide which road we are gonna take before we go any further, will it be more of a show car, or a cone chaser? or a straightline demon? or a street monster?
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01-23-2002, 10:49 PM
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#6
01-23-2002, 10:53 PM
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Nono....you're describing what the "ultimate civic" would be. Like I said, this is the "The Ultimate Civic (ON A BUDGET)". Obviously we can't for 20g's make it #1 in EVERY aspect but we need to even and fair with every aspect. If not we cheat ourselves out of discussing and learning about each one.
BTW I'm trying to find where I said that quote. I didn't say it.
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01-23-2002, 10:54 PM
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01-23-2002, 11:39 PM
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Well does anyone agree with me tho? Oui? Non?
This isn't my long drawn out excuse as to why I don't want a turbo. It's just the way it should be.
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01-23-2002, 11:43 PM
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Well, as much as I'd like to throw a turbocharger on this thing or even a supercharger we can't do it with the money we've got. Rene, we are going to HAVE to go with NA b/c it will be the best way to save $$$ for the other steps. I want it be above avg in every category and we can't do that by getting a turbo/supercharger. So, naturally aspirated it is!!!! Anyone who disagrees with this doesn't understand the concept of building the "ultimate civic."
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Mods: AEM intake, DC Sports 4-1 header, Tanabe exhaust w/ 2.5" custom piping, ITR exhaust cam, APEXi VAFC, AEM FPR, Warlboro 255l fp, RC 440 injectors, ACT stage 3 clutch, JR Supercharger, Weapon R coilovers, VIS CF vader hood, CF Angel Eye Projector headlights, Black housing corners w/ amber bulbs, "Hybrid" rear emblem, custom rear speaker panels.
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01-23-2002, 11:44 PM
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ok ok ok i agree, how about just a standard run of the mill greddy turbo at stiock 6.5 psi or a regular jrsc at 6.5 psi...the car does need some all the time power. that would leave us with more then enough for everything else.
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#12
01-23-2002, 11:52 PM
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I don't think that would hurt too much...
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Mods: AEM intake, DC Sports 4-1 header, Tanabe exhaust w/ 2.5" custom piping, ITR exhaust cam, APEXi VAFC, AEM FPR, Warlboro 255l fp, RC 440 injectors, ACT stage 3 clutch, JR Supercharger, Weapon R coilovers, VIS CF vader hood, CF Angel Eye Projector headlights, Black housing corners w/ amber bulbs, "Hybrid" rear emblem, custom rear speaker panels.
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01-23-2002, 11:58 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by CivSiGuy
[b] or could it be a lil of everything? It HAS to be a lil of everything in order to define an "ultimate civic" I'm telling you right now, this car WILL NOT be a disappointment when we are done with it. This mutha is going to be decked out for $20,000!!!
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Mods: AEM intake, DC Sports 4-1 header, Tanabe exhaust w/ 2.5" custom piping, ITR exhaust cam, APEXi VAFC, AEM FPR, Warlboro 255l fp, RC 440 injectors, ACT stage 3 clutch, JR Supercharger, Weapon R coilovers, VIS CF vader hood, CF Angel Eye Projector headlights, Black housing corners w/ amber bulbs, "Hybrid" rear emblem, custom rear speaker panels.
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01-24-2002, 12:02 AM
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Mods: AEM intake, DC Sports 4-1 header, Tanabe exhaust w/ 2.5" custom piping, ITR exhaust cam, APEXi VAFC, AEM FPR, Warlboro 255l fp, RC 440 injectors, ACT stage 3 clutch, JR Supercharger, Weapon R coilovers, VIS CF vader hood, CF Angel Eye Projector headlights, Black housing corners w/ amber bulbs, "Hybrid" rear emblem, custom rear speaker panels.
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#15
01-24-2002, 12:25 AM
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 I'm happy someone sees my POV. I just want to be as fair as possible with each category. As for if we should go NA or FI, that should really left for the official NA or FI thread. But I wanted to start this to clear up everyone's thoughts about what we're doing here.
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