pro- abortion

[amalea]

In many ways people think abortion is wrong. Is it? can you honestly tell me that there are young girls out there that shouldnt have a say in their future? yes, abortion is in a way murder. yet... do you think about the life the child would have if the mother goes through with it? People live their own lives and are therefore entitled to their say of what goes on in it. should it be legal for the government to change someones life? The adoption rates would sky rocket and poverty would become even more severe if abortion became illegal. Population would drown the world. Why do people bring their pets to the pound? They kill them in two weeks anyway... because the world cant have too many cats or dogs?? whats different about people? People lead to thoughts, thoughts to belief, and beliefs... to war. does it always take a war to level out the population?

I'm just saying stop judging people for what decisions they make and start judging them on the grounds theyre making them on.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by amalea

In many ways people think abortion is wrong. Is it? can you honestly tell me that there are young girls out there that shouldnt have a say in their future?

Of course they should. No would have been a good say in their future when the were thinking about having unprotected sex. Accidents do happen and people do get pregnant even with todays devices. But that doesn't happen very often.

yes, abortion is in a way murder. yet... do you think about the life the child would have if the mother goes through with it? People live their own lives and are therefore entitled to their say of what goes on in it.

The life the child would have had could have been a great one. Who are we to judge a life before it is able to begin.

should it be legal for the government to change someones life?

They already are....The childs.

The adoption rates would sky rocket and poverty would become even more severe if abortion became illegal. Population would drown the world.

Adoption rates would skyrocket? Is that a bad thing? People wait years for a child when trying to adopt now.
Poverty is not due to overpopulation. Poverty is due to the lack of compassion.

Why do people bring their pets to the pound? They kill them in two weeks anyway... because the world cant have too many cats or dogs?? whats different about people?

Souls.

People lead to thoughts, thoughts to belief, and beliefs... to war. does it always take a war to level out the population?

No. Disease, poverty, genocide, terrorism, just to name a few also provide plenty of opportunity to wipe out large amounts of humanity.

I'm just saying stop judging people for what decisions they make and start judging them on the grounds theyre making them on.[

On that point we agree. The problem comes in on who is judging the childs life and what kind of life it was going to have?

On that note. Abortions aren't always wrong all the time IMO.

[Steel]

Originally Posted by DGB454

Souls.

No offense, but it's exactly THAT which really pisses me off aobut the world. Who's to say dogs and cats and hampsters dont have any souls. OR that we do. And even if it's true, i dont see how that makes it ok to slaughter them just because we don't want them around.

[BP2K2Max]

i don't think pro-abortion is a real term. it's pro choice. i don't think there is anyone who thinks abortion is ever a positive thing. that's all i really have to say on the subject cuz i don't wana get dragged into a 40 page abortion thread.

[lazysmurff]

actually DGB, accidental pregnancy happens more than you would expect.

but, amalea, i dont follow your logic on people leading to war. you actually forgot a step, that isnt universal to all people, and thats the inability to accept that other people have different beliefs, and that those beliefs are as valid as ours.

thats what leads to war (well, besides, money, land grabs, oil, nationalism, etc)

[YogsVR4]

"I noticed that all the people who are for abortions have already been born" - Ronald Reagan

A womans right to dismember a fetus and suck it out a vaccum tube is legal and easy to do. I judge those who make that choice as putting little to no value on human life. Those people who have them are selfish and are looking for a way out of the situation they've created. Stopping a heart is the path they chose. Don't expect respect from me for taking that step.

[lazysmurff]

just because we do not agree with a right, doesnt mean it should be done away with.

there exist some people who i'd rather not hear talk. but i'll defend their freedom of speech anyday.

id rather not see abortions performed, but i'll defend a womans right to choose.

i also find it amussing that the majority of the anti abortion camp is on the conservative side of things, which also happens to be the side that accepts civilian death in war as acceptable collateral damage, and children dying of starvation as a "sacrifice" we have to make to enjoy economic freedom.

[DGB454]

Did I say I liked civilian death in a war? Did I ever say anything in any post about children dying of starvation was ok? In fact I believe I have said on several occasions that poverty is unnecesary and basically evil.

Yes I am considered conservative and no I won't defend a womans(or mans) right to choose between the life and death of an unborn but I also won't stop her/him from making that choice. I will however voice my opinion should it ever come up for a vote.


Pro-abortion is actually a real term.

[CarSuperfreak]

Originally Posted by DGB454

Yes I am considered conservative and no I won't defend a womans(or mans) right to choose between the life and death of an unborn but I also won't stop her/him from making that choice. I will however voice my opinion should it ever come up for a vote.

[lazysmurff]

i specifically worded the post to not include all conservatives, especially you.

i was refering to the majority of people here in po-dunk arkansas that ive come across, telling me that a woman cannot choose, because killing that baby is wrong. but then theyjust shrug their shoulders when i point out the mass amounts of poverty they arent raising hell about.

im sorry if my statement was misconstrude in any way.

[DGB454]

No problem. Sorry I jumped to conclusions.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by Steel

No offense, but it's exactly THAT which really pisses me off aobut the world. Who's to say dogs and cats and hampsters dont have any souls. OR that we do. And even if it's true, i dont see how that makes it ok to slaughter them just because we don't want them around.

No offense taken. I think God pretty much says it in the Scriptures. Maybe not outright but He didn't create cats in His image. There is no great commission given by Jesus to go out and preach the word to all hamsters. I don't think it's ok to go out and slaughter them either. However.. eating them for food I think is ok.(Never kill more than you need to survive). Killing the rodents that get into your house is ok.(disease and all that.)

[lazysmurff]

i dunno man, whether or not animals have souls is a big hairy argument (perhaps worthy of its own thread ) that depends alot more on whether or not God said so.

[Zanark]

Idk If I should comment in this thread or not but hey I might as well. Any ways Im 19 and in my short life span I have come across alot of girls. Most girls who get abortions are younger then 20. They dont think about the future or what could happen. ALot of these girls around in my area go out and have sex with out a condom or birth control because they believe they "cant" get pregnant. Then after about ten plus times they get pregnant. They moan and cry to there parents saying they made a mistake but they want to keep it and the parents Do NoT want to deal with a grand kid. Its the parents who in the end tell them to get an abortion because they do not want the agravation. The girl ends up getting one, hating herself but goes out and does the same thing over and over again till shes 18 and has a kid.Then there are the exceptions; girls who dont care and just get abortions regularly. I believe that everyone has the right to choice. But when it comes to abortion alot of the fetuses are rather developd. Its not like the sperms still floating around in there. Anyways I agree with yogs. Ive litterally talked to girls who tell me "well if I ever get pregnant Ill just get an abortion so its not a big deal".

[indyram]

Because this is my opinion I hope I don't offend anyone. I believe that abortion is completly wrong and don't give a damn about what the circumstances are. The only thing that I might accept is the morning after pill. After that it is a human life and that is that. If you don't want the child there are so many options. There are programs to help mothers with absolutely everything from covering medical bills to clothing and other necessities to housing and food I could go on and on about help that is out there. There is also adoption. There are so many people out there that want to adopt. I work with a guy and he and his wife have been waiting to adopt for over 3 years. I work in the medical field and see this alot. If you aren't ready to have a child and take care of it then damnit you have no business having sex, end of story. Again I hope I didn't offend anyone, if I did I am sorry. I just had to vent on this. Just for arguments sack. Check this out to put things in perspective, http://www.abortionno.com/Resources/pictures.html