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05-29-2004, 11:52 PM
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1994 Bonneville
I have a 1994 Pontiac Bonneville. Just bought it about a month ago. I first had a coolant leak near the passagener side front wheel. Don`t know where it was coming from. It would leak after I would park and turn the car off. I have added water a few times now. Now today when it started it was like the battery was about dead. Now it won`t even try to start when you turn the key. It will not do anything. Thought the battery may be dead. Took one out of my astro and the same thing. Put the one from the car into the astro and it fired right up. So it wasn`t the battery. The lights come on and everything seems ok except when you turn the key it does not even crank or anything. Please does anyone have any clue what may be causing this? Please reply soon.
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#2
05-29-2004, 11:57 PM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
many things can cause this condition: poor starter, starter solenoid, relay, or even an ignition switch. does it click when you turn the key?
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#3
05-30-2004, 10:49 AM
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Seems like it may make a very faint clicking noise. I had my wife trying to start it while I was checking things out. Sounds like some kind of clicking around the top of the motor toward the drivers side. May go out and jack it up and peck on the starter and see what happens. It was just so odd, had not had any trouble and then all at once it don`t want to do anything.
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#4
05-30-2004, 11:51 AM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
Just went out and checked things again. Still nothing with the key. Checked the coolant level and it needed some. Filled it up and the leak came back. Got under it and looks like it is coming out from around the oil pan. I won`t swear to that but it sure looked like it. Tried the old trick with the screw driver and the solenoid and it tried to crank but it sound funny. Then seems like that made the leak a little worse. Could the motor be locked up? Is there anyway to check without tearing it all apart. Please reply soon.
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#5
05-30-2004, 03:24 PM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
have you checked the oil recently? you may have coolant entering the crankcase.... if so your oil would take on the appearance of a milkshake... or you may have a siezed water pump.... take off the belt and see if it starts. Make sure not to run it for very long if it starts.
If it does start without the belts on, you have a bad alternator, water pump, or a stuck pulley. Hope this helps
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05-30-2004, 07:15 PM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
If so how would oil get in the crankcase? Sorry but I do not know much about cars. Could it still be one of things you mentioned above even though it does not do anything at all when I turn the key. Why wouldn`t it start the hillbilly way by crossing over at the solenoid with a screw driver. SOrry for all the questions.
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#7
05-30-2004, 07:41 PM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
Explaination: The crankcase is just above the oilpan, where the crankshaft is. Oil is supposed to be in there, not antifreeze. If there is antifreeze in your oil, you can seriously damage your rods and bearings, causing sieze up.
Knowing that your battery is good and it tried to crank, you either have: 1. Seized water pump. 2. Seized alternator. 3. Locked up engine. 4. Frozen PS pump. If you look at the passengers side of the engine, you will see the hanging accessories (power steering, alternator) and the belt. On the bottom of the engine is the crankshaft pulley. If there is a seized alternator, PS pump, pulley or water pump, it will cause everything to lock up, resulting in a no-crank condition, because the crankshaft pulley will not be able to spin easily. My friend with a 93 bonneville had a siezed alternator and it exhibited the same conditions.
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#8
05-30-2004, 08:54 PM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
Went out and checked the oil and seems to look fine to me. Took the belt off and still nothing. All the pulleys turned freely that I could check. I could not get a good hold on crank shaft pulley to try it. Now it does not want to crank by crossing over the solenoid. I can peck a little on the solenoid and the side of the starter and I am able to make it crank a little but not every time. It usually just sparks and that is it. Could a starter just up and go out? Any way to check it without taking it off?
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#9
05-30-2004, 09:53 PM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
you wouldnt be able to spin the crankshaft pulley...
check for corrosion on the cable from the solenoid to the starter... maybe you need a new starter or solenoid... probably solenoid
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#10
05-31-2004, 10:53 PM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
I have checked out a few things today. No luck. I can put a wrench on the crankshaft pulley and turn it. Does that mean the motor is not seized up? Checked the starter wires. Took them off and put them back good and tight and still nothing. Also if the water pump is bad, is that how antifree gets into the oil? If so, how? The oil looked fine. Doesn`t the head gasket have to be blown? I did not let it run hot or anything. I still can`t cross over the solenoid and get it to crank. So it may just be the starter hopefully.
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#11
06-01-2004, 08:29 AM
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sounds like a starter to me. You get the clicking, so the solenoid is working. From what I get, the car doesn't even attempt to crank until you bang on the starter a little then it tries to crank but doesn't get there. Sounds like a starter. When you bang them, it'll free up the motor/magnets in the starter and try to crank. Overall, probably not that bad of a job to do, but I haven't changed one on a bonneville, so I can't tell you how hard they are. Someone else may know.
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#12
06-01-2004, 06:27 PM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
Change the starter, but make sure you get a good quality one. Water gets into your oil by blown head gasket or intake gasket. You stated that you had antifreeze dripping from around the oilpan, so the best bet is a bad lower radiator hose or water pump casing....
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#13
06-01-2004, 11:26 PM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
The guy that I bought the car from said he would bet it was the alternator. He said he had to replace it every year or two. But could the alternator cause it to not do anything with the key? I am going to take your advice and take the starter off and go have it tested. Would a bad alternator cause me not to be able to cross the solenoid to make it crank? It sparks so that tells me that it is getting what it is suppose to get from the alternator, Right?
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#14
06-04-2004, 07:40 PM
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Re: 1994 Bonneville
correct... you should get a new starter, just for safe measure
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06-04-2004, 11:10 PM
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Put another starter on it today and it fired right up. Will do the water pump tomorrow. Thanks for all your help.
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