If you pay taxes you might want to step inside!

[erricer]

Take a look at this!http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/taxes.htm

[Cbass]

Wow, impressive statistics they're throwing around there... Maybe we should get into them a bit.

By average tax payer, do they mean the average of all taxes collected, and then given as a number to represent the "average" tax payer, or do they mean the actual average income tax bracket where the most people pay? Averages can be very misleading, when it comes to statistics like this, you should be looking for the median, not the mean.

[taranaki]

Well,as a non-American, I don't really care how he funds his policies,although it will be tricky for him inheriting considerably less prosperity than Bush inherited from Clinton.
As a foreigner,I have to say that his foreign policies can't be any worse than those who have gone before.

[lazysmurff]

id like to take the opportunity to laugh...

ok. done.

basically all i got out of that was Bush gave more money to charity 10 years ago than Kerry did, and then the usual party line of "taxes bad, therefore Bush good"

I would really like to know a couple of things. given the ever increasing rise of military spending, how does president bush plan to pay for all this war while lowering the taxes we pay? (especially considering the dismal state of the dollar)

does that mean an even greater percentage of my tax dollars go to fund wars i dont support?

and the little video also fails to mention how these tax relief programs have continued to allow 60% of corporations to not pay a dime in taxes.

what percentage of your income did bushs tax plan save you...compared to Cheney?

Sure, I dont like the fact that the government takes money i earned by working my ass off at a retail store. but i also dont like the fact that billionares complain about taxes when all their really doing is living off stock gains.

i dont believe in taxes, because i dont believe in government, but the fact of the matter is, is that we have a government, and thus we have taxes. these taxes pay for things we like. you can pull the libertarian line and say corporations and private donations can fund these things, but they all ready dont want to pay taxes, and avoid it at all costs. what makes you think they will freely give their money away?

[DGB454]

To me reguardless of who is in office if they vote for, propose or support a tax increase in any way shape or form then I will probably not be voting for them.
Cut spending to pay for the deficit rather than paying more taxes.

I thought our Democrat Govenor of Mich. was doing a good job unitl suddenly she started trying to raise taxes on everything not to mention the extra $125.00 per year she added to my auto insurance that goes directly to the state to help balance the state budget. I will vote for whoever runs against her on the next election. I'll do the same in a presidential election.

[Pick]

Originally Posted by lazysmurff

i dont believe in government

If this is your stance, nothing you say can be taken seriously any more.

[2strokebloke]

If this is your stance, nothing you say can be taken seriously any more.

In which case, you'd be in the same boat as Pick.

Don't raise taxes, cut wasteful spending I'd rather have free postal service (or maybe just no war) than a war on Iraq, of which the the end benefits for me are zip.

[replicant_008]

Government taxes and spending

[replicant_008]

Theory A:
Cut back government spending to essential items, reduce debt (reduces interest) and tax sufficiently to produce a balanced budget or surplus, adopt free market philosophies to allocative model

Pros:
Means that succeeding governments have less debt to fund, more room to more in the case of economic recession, must have a low inflation environment and stable government.

Cons:
Maintaining stable government in power, pressure on essential services and pressure to reduce taxation in the event of surplus. Surplus spent on vote-buying rather than promoting economic growth. Serious Wealth distribution issues.

Theory B:
Continue to spend on core visible programmes, reduce taxes, reduce expenditure in services that have low short-term visibility (education, physical infrastructure etc) - manage deficit by borrowing, maintain barriers to free trade, maintain strong labour protectionism

Pros:
Citizens continue to enjoy standard of living in protected economy, economic growth and employment. Government stays in power.

Cons:
Consequences of growing debt and interest expense in long term, deferred maintenance on infrastructural assets results in long term damage to economic growth, protected industries exist in inefficiency and continue to be uncompetitive except in home market.


The hard part is when eventually you have to go from Theory B to Theory A and how much pain your electorate can handle as a result of the restructuring in your economy.

[erricer]

Originally Posted by lazysmurff

i dont believe in taxes, because i dont believe in government, ?

Yeah that sentence tells me not to read the rest of your post!

[YogsVR4]

Thats pretty funny

Of course Kerry is for more taxes. He proposed that fifty cent tax per gallon of gas.


He and Bush have similar problems in that they don't control spending. At least Bush believes that growth is the way to match income with expenditures by holding the outlays at 4% each year. Kerry feels we should increase the spending ad nausium and then complain that there isn't enough money and then raise taxes. What a tool.

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

What a tool.

Yogs, you think so clearly....can you help the other mods?

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

Yogs, you think so clearly....can you help the other mods?

Mods to a VR4 or Stealth I can help with


However, tax policy from a Mass. Democrat will drive more bancrupsties and create more 'going out of business' sales then anyone can shake a stick at. Its amazing how he bellows about how he'll create 12 million new jobs. Amazing. Unless he plans on expanding government by that many, he cant create a damn one. Private businesses can.

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Thats pretty funny

Of course Kerry is for more taxes. He proposed that fifty cent tax per gallon of gas.

Actually, he didn't propose it, he didn't even vote for it. He supported it, but he didn't actually vote for it.

http://wcco.com/realitycheck/local_story_098160206.html

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

He and Bush have similar problems in that they don't control spending. At least Bush believes that growth is the way to match income with expenditures by holding the outlays at 4% each year. Kerry feels we should increase the spending ad nausium and then complain that there isn't enough money and then raise taxes. What a tool.

Well so far, I don't think Bush has been doing a very good job of controlling spending at all. In fact, I think he's increased spending more than any president since LBJ for his own private Vietnam. Of course, Vietnam didn't have any oil that could help balance it's budget.

At the same time cutting taxes for the rich, this results in massive budget shortfalls, more debt, and accordingly more interest. The national debt is like a giant snowball rolling down a hill, the more you add to it, the more momentum it gains. There comes a certain point when you can no longer control it, and it's very momentum increases it's mass uncontrollably.

[justacruiser]

Originally Posted by taranaki

Well,as a non-American, I don't really care how he funds his policies,although it will be tricky for him inheriting considerably less prosperity than Bush inherited from Clinton.
As a foreigner,I have to say that his foreign policies can't be any worse than those who have gone before.

There have been presidents who cared a lot less about what people in other countries think. Just because people're used to Clintons ass-kissing/bullshitting and Reagans speaking ability doesn't make Bush bad at foreign relations, not the best, but not bad either.

As for the monetary situation, the economy going downhill wasn't his fault, it started before he even got in office and really hit the shitter when 9/11 happened,(The government can only do so much to regulate the economy, it's really up to the buyers and sellers). Now the economy is getting better, (for example, around my area housing has gone INSANE because of the low interest rates, they can't hire enough carpenters to keep up with the building demands, Car lots are selling cars left and right, etc.). As for the budget deficit, well, he'll have to find another way of balancing the budget, (which, try to remember, is a yearly thing and has only been done TWICE since the late 60's), OTHER than cutting our military to ribbons and raising taxes sky high, like a certain other president did to balance the budget.

Instead of asking the question, "what has Bush done that is good?" like people always do, "What has Bush done that is bad for this country?" Seriously, what has he done that's so awful and so downright wrong, that him and his cabinet members have earned this:

http://tnor.org/blog/archives/000163.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...tm?POE=NEWISVA

as the kind of reaction that they get from liberals, (aka. Democrats and their like).
Keep in mind that his job is the welfare of THIS country, not any other like the media makes it out to be.

What is bad about:

The patriot act.
Cutting taxes.
Going to Iraq.
His reactions to 9/11 in general.
His action taking in general. (has he sat on his ass or done what he said?)
FINALLY doing something with Medicare, whether it's enough or not.

Seriously, what is it that he's done that is so bad? What has he NOT done that is so bad? Name the stuff, give people here a chance to see exactly what it is that the liberal segment of this forum think is so horrible about this president.