Evo. Vii Tranny??

[CrZyTner]

WELL the Evo.VII i'm guessing is coming to the US in the SPRING of 2003............But the one thing that caught my attention was the tranny.....IT only comes witha 5-speed?????? or am i wrong?? maybe a factory option possible?? In anycase, that sucks.......if it comes with a 5-speed there is no way i would go with a EVO VII.....well maybe i still will......The love the WRX too. IF the EVO VII came with a 6-speed i'd pick it over a WRX anyday. But watchout cuz subaru is coming with a STi version...if that thing comes with a 6-speed.....all i can say is that BOTH cars are so close that i really wouldn't know which was what. Standard option wise it looks like the EVO VII is much better so far.........STi vs. EVo.VII anyone?????

[rEVOlution]

the VII is the way to go...


You of course DO know before you opened your mouth that a 4speed automatic is better then a 5speed manual and a 6speed manual right?

Know why?
You can make automatics shift WAY faster then any manual...doesn't matter if it is Makinen behind the wheel or not. The 5 speed is better that way you can get your ass off that start line a bit quicker. 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5. Will be quicker then 1 - 6. You just have a different gear ratio. You don't want a 6 speed.

[mudmojo]

Originally posted by rEVOlution
You of course DO know before you opened your mouth that a 4speed automatic is better then a 5speed manual and a 6speed manual right?

Know why?
You can make automatics shift WAY faster then any manual...doesn't matter if it is Makinen behind the wheel or not. The 5 speed is better that way you can get your ass off that start line a bit quicker. 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5. Will be quicker then 1 - 6. You just have a different gear ratio. You don't want a 6 speed.

There seems to be some misinformation here.

Please tell us you're kidding...

[wrxfl]

rev what the hell are you talkin about? who the hell wants a sports car that is an automatic??? what is this damn worl coming to? you need to get with it kid

[rEVOlution]

I'm not saying that an automatic would be better...i'm saying it shifts way faster then you or i could. THAT's my arguement.

Do you actually think you can shift 4 hears in 4 seconds?
or drive the car to that potential?

[LanCeRzEvO]

uh isnt it faster for yourself to switch your own gears.. and you get to decide when you want to.

[Soleman20]

Manual transmissions are faster than automatics. If you had two extremely high HP car like say 700HP one auto, (automatic racing trannys are not like a Hondas or something, they shift extremely hard and fast) one manual, the manual would probably spin the tires off the line. The auto on the other hand would not spin as much and therefore take it off the line, but probably loose in the 1/4 mile run.

Also, automatics upshift (and downshift) sometimes when you don't want them to. You have little control over them.

Another thing...if autos were faster, why the hell would every kind of race car have a manual??

Manuals are just better at keeping the engine in it's peak performance zone...READ THIS IT WILL EXPLAIN:

http://www.howstuffworks.com/transmission1.htm

[broeli]

Actually he is kind of right. Alot of drag racing cars (mine included) has auto trannys. With an auto you can actually spool your boost up or hit your nitrous and get real nice launches and quick shifts. The auto I run is in my 10 sec street Mustang...it is actaully a reverse manual valve body C4 that requires I shift when I want to by slapping it into gear. There are alot of clutchless manual trannys also used for drag racing. BUT for autox or street driving I prefer a manual tranny.

[rEVOlution]

Jesus...
I hate explaining myself....

Your saying humans are better then machines...who are you trying to kid? You can tune an automatic to change gears WAAYYY quicker then any human ever could. Serioiusly...cmon. Now, don't get me wrong...i prefer Manuals over auto's. Only because of what you had said...the feeling of power over the car. Automatics are there becuase they know when to shift. That way you don't burn the clutch, or grind gears. Man your talking about dropping clutches and shit to make the tires spin. Don't sass me man...i've been around cars...and i've done nothing but grow up around them. If you punch the gas in an automatic and your tires don't spin??? Then you don't have enough horsepower. Soleman...i'm sorry but don't talk this shit with me. I'll make you feel stupid

[boostislove]

Originally posted by rEVOlution
Automatics are there becuase they know when to shift.

Maybe I'm a big, ignorant crack-smoker, but I've NEVER driven an automatic that I liked. The one test that ALL of them have failed at is the cornering test: As you take a car into a turn and punch it, it takes a fraction of a second to get into the right gear; in a manual, you put it in the right gear and power out of the turn. Do you know of some autos that don't do this, rEVOlution? Becuase I'd really like to know about them if you do...

In my opinion, it's a much better deal all around to have a manual, since life isn't led in a straight line, and even IF I had an auto that could shift faster and more intuitively than I could in a straight line, I'd never use it if it couldn't power out of a corner.

My couple pennies...

[Soleman20]

You're mad at your Dad not me, take it out on him!!!

And I agree with you about tuning autos to shift quicker than a manual, but the important thing to know is the TIME at which they shift. A manual transmission's brain is the driver's brain. An automatic transmission has really 2 brain's, one is it's computer and the other is the drivers. When you want an auto to do something, you have to tell it to by either giving gas or releasing the gas. Sometimes they don't up/down-shift when you want them to, and somethimes they up-shift when you don't want them to causing the driver to have punch the gas to get the auto tranny to get back into a lower gear.

With a manual, the microsecond a driver wants to shift, he/she doesn't have to tell the transmission to do it, the driver just does it because the driver is the transmission. It really comes down to MORE CONTROL.

Sure you could put a hard shifting auto in your car, but when the race is over and you want to go somewhere, the auto knows only one way to shift and that is hard as a mother fucker.

If autos where faster, then why can't I get a Ferrari in auto?

Another thing...if autos were superior to manuals then why do manuals get better gas mileage?

[Turbo442]

Mitsubishi sold the 90-94 AWD eclipse in a 5sp and an automatic. The 5 sp came with a bigger turbo and injectors then the AT model. Do you still want an automatic?

Matt

[Mekanikal Threat]

Lets settle this. Automatics are better for drag racing. Why? because they can shift quicker and harder....they also retain lots of torque while shifting that is lost in a manual....but this is only good with 500+ hp cars IMO...the trans tuned to be race shifted..you dont just drive up to a dealer and buy a program car with a race tuned auto..thats why if you dont like them thats because you haven driven one ....you dont *usually* do this to a car you drive to the strip race and drive home.....go look at the 6000 hp funny cars.....auto's baby....but track/road coarse is a different story...your auto cant anticipate every turn and how you want to take it....auto trans is nearly useless here....lets say you want to down shift into a turn and upshift out of it.....how is your auto going to know how to do that? lets say you want to hit the turn hot....down shift, lose traction..and drift through it.....how is your auto going to even know the curve was their.....its not....so its useless. Thats just my opinion on the discussion....if anyone disagrees....lets talk about it.

[boostislove]

I totally agree!

my point was that the advantages of drag racing don't matter at all in the real world because you have to drive the car, too.

[wrxfl]

amen!!