Some more kills with the type r

[Ricochet]

Went out to a small meet tonight and took a short cruise..

First guy had a '90 supercharged corrado with 184whp, 193wtq, and we rolled from about 70-100 and I put 2-3 cars on him. His 3300lb car weighs 1000lbs more than mine though, and he has shorter gearing.

Then there was this total retard in a turbocharged Civic EX all done up with a body kit and vinyl (didn't look that bad) who simply bought the car from somebody else as is.. I walked up to talk to him being real polite, asking him about his car and he said he has a turbocharged d16 dual overhead cam engine. He got really defensive and shit when I told him it's just a sohc, and wouldn't let it go. So I dropped it and we took it to the freeway. This fool was also running 11psi on stock internals.. Today the guys at the shop even told him his shit would blow if he didn't lower it down to 8 or so, but he blatantly ignored them.

First we went from a 3rd gear roll around 70mph up to 100 and he pulled on me until his little 6800rpm cut came around and he had to shift, and I got ahead a little and stayed there until we shut down because of traffic. Then we roll from about 40mph, 2nd gear vtec engagement for me, and pulled like a madman on him. Same thing again, third honk and pulled about 1/2-1 car on him.

He comes up next to me and says his car's fucked up, cel's blinking, blah blah blah.. I rolled my eyes and cruised away. I don't know if he was bs'ing or his engine really did blow, but either way I find it pretty funny.

[MexSiR]

Nice Kills man. Those corrados are pretty heavy, almost any VW is porky, it sucks. Thats why the 240 hp 3.2 liter R32 isnt fast. Its 6.2 0-60 mph...common with all that torque and power? 3350 lbs aint helping much.

[TSRyder6]

good shit man...them Type R's are freaking sick!

[carrrnuttt]

That reminds me.

At Speedworld here in AZ last saturday, there was a guy with just about the exact same set-up as you, Ricochet. 1997 hatch, with a B16B swap. He ran a 16.0, and a 15.5. I told him about your trials and tribulations, and told him to just keep practicing his driving, and to get more familiar with his car's new powerband (recent swap).

[Ricochet]

That's cool.. the 60' will make or break a good time with this engine.
What are his 60' times?

Here's an update from the local board I'm on about that other civic, guess his engine did blow..

the kid with the civic with the graphics blew his engine on the way home and we had to spend 2 hours broke down on riverside waiting for him to make up his mind on what to do with his car, oh well, thats what you get for running such high boost on stock internals

[XixGenuinexiX]

11psi?! was he running a small ass turbo or something? With that type of power there should of been no way for you to win. with around 10psi his pushing around 195-200whp. That is if the car is tuned good. Even with only 170whp i can't see how you would win. But nice kills anyway

[Ricochet]

Because I am at peak power longer, having a way higher redline. His car did have some balls, but I guess the driver sucked at shifting because he kept falling back every shift.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by XixGenuinexiX

11psi?! was he running a small ass turbo or something? With that type of power there should of been no way for you to win. with around 10psi his pushing around 195-200whp. That is if the car is tuned good. Even with only 170whp i can't see how you would win. But nice kills anyway

11 psi from a small turbo and 11 psi from a bigger turbo is the same thing........
11psi is 11 psi no matter what's creating the boost, a big ass hks turbo or a little Greddy 18g mitsubishi turbo

[Crippy]

Originally Posted by XixGenuinexiX

11psi?! was he running a small ass turbo or something? With that type of power there should of been no way for you to win. with around 10psi his pushing around 195-200whp. That is if the car is tuned good. Even with only 170whp i can't see how you would win. But nice kills anyway

there are many reasons , dohc , shorter gearing , higher redline to name a few , those ex civics need 11 psi just to keep up with a type r ... my car only has 170hp in stock form , but when it was stock i took a 200hp v6 stang no problem ... good kill , i love the type r stories ...

[maxspeedhonda]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

11 psi from a small turbo and 11 psi from a bigger turbo is the same thing........
11psi is 11 psi no matter what's creating the boost, a big ass hks turbo or a little Greddy 18g mitsubishi turbo

How do you figure? PSI is not a measure of horsepower, only pressure. 11psi on an 18g will not make the same power as 11psi on a sc61. The turbos would have to have the EXACT same specs.

Other factors to this race: a larger turbo will usually cause for lag, a b16b has much better throttle response that a laged out d16. I have seen tons of NA swaps pull on boosted single cams.

[Crippy]

ok, you have had that only revved to 6.5 rpm in your sig for a while now ... have you tested that beast again yet ?? and what swap do you have ??

[XixGenuinexiX]

he has a b16 gen 1 i believe swap

[B1SiR6A]

I think 11psi is 11psi no matter how big or small the turbo is...all it means is that with the 18g it'll be considered higher boost than with the sc61...Im looking at it like this (you guys tell me if this sounds logical or not) if you take a ferrari (sc61) and put it on a road doing 50mph and you take a stock civic ex (18g) and get it up to 50mph, the civic and the ferrari will run side by side...now we all know the ferrari can murder the civic but as long as its restricted to 50mph (11psi) it'll make the same amount of power...

[XixGenuinexiX]

umm no, your wrong. Why do you think some turbochargers are efficient to 450hp, 350hp, etc. The Ferrari would be making way more power at the same rpm range as the civic. 11psi from a 18G is no where near the same as 11psi from a SC61 turbo. That's like saying 11psi from a T25 is the same as a T3 .60. Also if they all give you the same amount of power, why would anyone buy a bigger turbo. Doesn't make sense to me anyway you look at it. Why would a bigger turbocharger create the same amount of power a little turbo would? Wouldn't this defeat the whole purpose of buying bigger turbochargers.. Another thing, the higher the CFM the more power the turbocharger make's.

[maxspeedhonda]

Originally Posted by Crippy

ok, you have had that only revved to 6.5 rpm in your sig for a while now ... have you tested that beast again yet ?? and what swap do you have ??

Well what happened with that was this. We were having that problem on the dyno only due to lack of load (internal WG issue), however on the road it pulled all the way to 9K. Well after close to 2 years on stock motor, it popped caused by a bad mis-shift. That car is retired from the street. I bought a truck and a trailer and I am using it as a racecar. Civic is basically stripped to nothing right now, but the motor/turbo setup is almost ready in the engine stand (will release specs when tuned) Every last part is different, looking for around 500whp, which is very feasable with this setup. I will post my progress sometime when I get my digital back.

Anyone, do some reseach on differnt turbine specs. 20 psi on a greddy turbo will yield quite a different result than 20 psi on most precision, turbonetics, hks, etc.

B1SiR6A, you scenario doesn't make alot of sense. Two cars holding a constent speed of 50mph will prob neither be in boost, they won't see boost until acceleration. I think it is safe to say that the ferrari with the sc61 will murder the civic.