Interesting find...

[carrrnuttt]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

Who was that claimed that the propaganda was only coming from the Kerry side?

[TexasF355F1]

I didn't thoroughly read through that. But wasn't it her first husband that actually owned Heinz and she just inherited a part of it as part of the divorce?

To keep in pace with the topic at hand here's this

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

To keep in pace with the topic at hand here's this

I should mention that it is interesting that such interesting "news" is in the "opinion" page of the newspaper, by a "guest writer", no less.

[thegladhatter]

You're grabbing at straws there carnutt

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

You're grabbing at straws there carnutt

LOL

Don't expect me to take YOU seriously anytime soon, bub. You've shown a level of rabid fanaticism that is usually reserved for cult followers. Yeah, you're the one I'll turn to for important decisions.

[thegladhatter]

You see me through your eyes...I see you through my eyes....maybe we aren't so different after all.

[justacruiser]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

You see me through your eyes...I see you through my eyes....maybe we aren't so different after all.

BAMMO! That's the best comback I've seen yet! Nice one!

Anyways, I'll bet the rest of the family is chewing sticks thinking that their money supports that turd now...

[Cbass]

Honestly, if I saw myself seeing through the eyes of a fanatical right wing American, I'd be tempted to gouge them out for the good of mankind.

Seriously, the democrats are right of centre to the rest of the western world, and the republicans are a whole different story.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

You see me through your eyes...I see you through my eyes....maybe we aren't so different after all.

Please.

I highly doubt that I, at any point, have sounded as fanatic as you in here. I never said Kerry doesn't lie.

As a matter of fact, I'll openly say that he sickens me EXACTLY as much as GWB does. I just prefer him, as his Liberal policies will be kept in check by a Republican Congress, as opposed to Bush's liberal spending, which the same Republican Congress just rubber-stamps on their way out. With Bush, Congress is nothing more than a tool, a pen he uses to sign whatever flight of fancy him, and his cabinet (especially Cheney) decides to embark on.

I defend Kerry in here, but only as far as the items I have found and read about him carry, like about his "questionable" service or his "ketchup money". I am hoping to counter the propaganda that Bush robots like you are propagating, so that people may think for themselves, instead of being taken by the emotional response you guys are hoping for when you post slanderous shit like that mass e-mail that my link refutes.

If you feel the same way about what people have said, or posted about Bush, and feel that he is being slandered also, post some proof, or even maybe a link, purporting to proof. Not some op-ed piece...

[thegladhatter]

The trouble is...no liberal accepts "proof" unless that "proof" comes from their own slanted sources.

[taranaki]

The trouble is,much of what the extreme right refers to as facts is opinion.But in the deluded world of the fanatic,fact is opinion,opinion is fact,and anyone that disagrees is a liar.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

The trouble is...no liberal accepts "proof" unless that "proof" comes from their own slanted sources.

LOL

Nice cop-out.

<whiny voice>"Why show proof, when no one will believe it anyways."</whiny voice>

A simplistic response. Let's just say, it suits you.

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

The trouble is...no liberal accepts "proof" unless that "proof" comes from their own slanted sources.

Proof is just that. Proof.

There is no disputing proof, it is by definition indisputable, and does not matter what source it comes from. If you can clearly demonstrate something to be a fact, it is proof. If the National Enquirer can prove that last week, Elvis walked into Subway and ordered a ham sandwich, it's proof.

If Fox News can prove that Iraq was preparing to attack the US, that is one thing. They couldn't, however. Which is why they kept running the same story, the little snippets like "Intelligence experts are investigating links between Iraq and Al Qaeda" or "The White House said today that Iraq may have close ties to terrorist organizations, possibly including funding" and other such little bits of fluff.

It's not proof, it's propaganda. If you hear the same variety of fluff for 6 months, it quickly becomes the truth to you.

[YogsVR4]

This place is loaded with fanatics - even the ones who don't believe they are. Lots of narrow views. Lots of hatred flowing around. And the best part is, it keeps me entertianed

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

post some proof, or even maybe a link, purporting to proof.

Actually the "proving" should be in YOUR court! YOU are the accuser. YOU do the proving.

Kerry has been CAUGHT in his lies.
"I threw away my medals"
"I didn't throw my medals away"

Negative eye-witness testamonies of the men who served with and under him sure outnumber those favoring him.