B16B vs B18C

[friday86]

I see alot of people putting B16 engines in a Civic HB than a B18 engine. How come alot of people put a B16 into a HB other then the B18? Is it cheaper? more potential? what is it? personally I like the B18 engines... jux askin.. thanks

[jcrx]

You don't see a lot of people putting B16B's in Civics over B18C's. Maybe B16A's, there's a huge difference. The B16B is a destroked B18C (ITR) (basically) from the CTR and pretty pricey. And there are several B18 engines, B18A/B from the LS's B17A1/B18C(1) from the GSRs, B18C(5) from the Type R. To compare you need to get more specific.

[IntegraB16]

I think i know what he was asking. He didn't specify b18c or b18a or what have you. He just said B16 and B18. I think most civic hatches probably come with weak D series engines. Atleast the older ones. The reason they are putting B16's in their cars are because they are cheaper than a B18C and are faster than a B18A or B. That is probably whats going on.

[Plastic_Fork]

There's more hype around the B16A than there should be but that's more than likely why a lot of Civic owners put the B16A in aside from it being one of the easier motor swaps. Everyone's led to believe it's the be-all-end-all of motors for a Civic and they make uninformed decisions. It's also the cheapest of the VTEC motors which is another reason. VTEC = better. That's the generalization. It's a great motor, it has a lot of potential, but a B18B will be comparable in speed for less money.

[Dynastyracerx]

Another thing is that the B16a is the most readily available so it is cheaper (the whole supply and demand thing). Anyway if you're ever in palm springs make sure you ask about the dumbass girl who put a $10,000 crate spoon engine in a hb. Yeah and she still got smoked by the infamous green saturn.

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by Plastic_Fork

There's more hype around the B16A than there should be but that's more than likely why a lot of Civic owners put the B16A in aside from it being one of the easier motor swaps. Everyone's led to believe it's the be-all-end-all of motors for a Civic and they make uninformed decisions. It's also the cheapest of the VTEC motors which is another reason. VTEC = better. That's the generalization. It's a great motor, it has a lot of potential, but a B18B will be comparable in speed for less money.

That's a pretty ignorant statement. First off, the B16A is a DAMN GOOD motor, and makes really good power for what it is, and is quite deserving of the "hype" it gets. Second, a B18B is not going to be as fast for the less, for the simple reason that they cost the same to begin with. B16A is hardly the cheapest of the vtec motors, maybe of the DOHC vtec motors. And it is the same to swap in a B16A as it is to swap in any B series motor, a wire difference here and there aside.

[IntegraB16]

I would have to agree with jcrx on that one.

[friday86]

Is it because the B18 motors are heavier? I don't know, I kinda like the B18's more... but would the price be worth it? and I hear that the engine bay for a 93-95 Civic HB is better than the 96-00 Civic HB? Is that true. Thanks for all the info. too..

[joebowlr21]

Originally Posted by Dynastyracerx

Anyway if you're ever in palm springs make sure you ask about the dumbass girl who put a $10,000 crate spoon engine in a hb. Yeah and she still got smoked by the infamous green saturn.

through ina spoon motor an beat by a saturn....so?Wuts ur point.Were they drag racing?Cuz if they were then of course the spoon motor is not gonna be on top.

The owner os spoon specifically tells his customers not to buy the motor if you are only going to us it for straight line racing.He specifically states that the motor is good for circuit or auto X racing only.It doesn't have super fast excelleration like other motors.

[civicHBsi91]

Originally Posted by jcrx

That's a pretty ignorant statement. First off, the B16A is a DAMN GOOD motor, and makes really good power for what it is, and is quite deserving of the "hype" it gets. Second, a B18B is not going to be as fast for the less, for the simple reason that they cost the same to begin with. B16A is hardly the cheapest of the vtec motors, maybe of the DOHC vtec motors. And it is the same to swap in a B16A as it is to swap in any B series motor, a wire difference here and there aside.

It's not ignorant at all, it's the truth. The B16A is way over hyped. Yes it can be a good motor but nothing an LS motor with a better geared transmision couldent take on. I have raced countless hatch's, crx's, coupe's with B16A's and they fall behind. I have even raced a B16B hatch from a slow roll and he didn't catch up till about 110. The lack of torque really kill's them. You named the reason they are so popular yourself, it's the cheapest DOHC VTEC motor available and everyone think's you need VTEC in a honda to be quick which is not the case.

[XixGenuinexiX]

B16a should beat a b18b in every category. It's more reliable, more hp, etc. Seriously i always say this but how much torque do you need to move a honda? It's not like honda's weight 3000lbs, and i really dont understand how you beat all these diff cars, with an LS engine. I'd understand you beating a coupe w/ a B16, since your in CRX. But take into consideration that you drive, a lil CRX, which probably only weights 2100lbs tops

[civicHBsi91]

see your in the b16 hype, you think nothing can top it, how are they more reliable? if they loose enough oil pressure vtec will stop working sounds more reliable than a B18 to me...NOT

I beat all these car's because 1 I can drive and 2 b16's arent any better than b18a/b. I have the b18a and I spank b16 car's all day long dont like it? tough that's how it is.

dont need much torque? you are mistaken my friend come drive my car and then go drive a b16 car and tell me which has more throttle response, quicker acceleration and what car is more fun.

ok I have an si crx with bigger integra brakes which weigh more, a B18 which weighs more than a d series, 15" rim's which are bigger than stock, extra aftermarket suspension pieces and I am 6.0' 230lbs if my car weighs 2100lbs with me in or out of it I will give it to you.

go do a search for 90-91 si crx's with an obd0 b16a with just intake and exhaust even a header and street tires and see if you can find one with a better time

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by civicHBsi91

see your in the b16 hype, you think nothing can top it, how are they more reliable? if they loose enough oil pressure vtec will stop working sounds more reliable than a B18 to me...NOT

I beat all these car's because 1 I can drive and 2 b16's arent any better than b18a/b. I have the b18a and I spank b16 car's all day long dont like it? tough that's how it is.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA....ok...BWAHAHAHAHA, you and your magical B18A1 go girl. And if those are the times in your sig your running with your B18A1 in a CRX no less, then I wouldn't be saying you can drive, those are weak. B16A in 5th gens are hitting high 13's son, in rexs, mid to low. And as for the countless B16A hatchs you beat all the time, maybe they should try and learn to drive.

No shit a B18C(1) is going to be stronger, hmmm....is that because it has the same Hp and more torque? Duh. And the heads on LS motors are for shit, they flow like a fat girl in a tubetop, and in order to make them even halfway fun you have to buy a vtec B tranny any, I don't understand why people want to short change themselves, for the price a B16A is a great motor, no shit the ITR, GSR, CTR are more powerful, they also have a hefty price tag coming in over a grand more at least, all the way to twice the price. Same gen LS motors are the same price as their B16 counterparts, and sorry dude, the B16A is more powerful, there's just no way around it.

[civicHBsi91]

13's....are you below sea level? did they all have slick's? and were gutted to hell? what model car's? what were the mod's?

I think your just bullshit. Go get your fact's straight cuz your pure bullshit. anyone can see that.

I never said anything gsr's or itr's so i dont know what your saying "no shit" for.

what do you run? 13.9's at 92mph?

[scallywag]

I would have to say that the b16a is a great motor, and has alot of potential, but I do think that it is given a bit to much hype. It is a great motor, but I have seen stock ls integras take stock 99-01 si's 8 outa 10 times. Really they are about equal, and it comes down to the driver. I used to own a ls integra before I got the GSR, and they have a really good bottom end. They have been known to pull on gsr's in 1st and 2nd, but by 3rd it is by by GSR, but with the B16a, it usually just catchs up, and sometimes passes in the 1/4. It does make more hp than the ls, but it does lack torpue. All in all it is a great motor, and I don't feel that it should be bad mouthed, and that is not what I am meaning to do, but it isn't as fast as alot of people think. I have a friend who had an ls, then he sold it for an si, thinking it was alot faster and he was pretty bummed out when he realized it was about the same. I took him numerous times in my old stock ls. The 99-01 si's are pretty tight looking though! Love that electron blue.