Will a gutted Z24 out run a Integra GSR?

[WhiteCavaliac]

I saw a z24 and a gsr line up at a stop light this morning on the highway and I was behind the gsr with my talon. They both looked quite stock and my talon has all-motor 2.0l bored .30 over, port and polished everything and a cam that makes idling a task.
Anyways the light turned green the z24 launched 2 car legths ahead of us then we both passed him at around 55mph and I stayed on the gsr tail untill 70 and backed off.

How do you think the z24 would of feared if it was gutted with racing front seats and full dashboard? Maybe it needs a cam for the higher rpms or something.

[STYLEZ24]

No the cav wouldnt beet the Teg.. gutted or not..

[GRANDAMLD9]

well a GSR runs what, a high 14. and a LD9 power 5speed cavi runs a mid 15. So a loss of about 200 or more might put it close to a high 14. But if you did the seceret cam swap, i would think the cavi would be even with the GSR for sure.

[jerseycavyz24]

na the z24 would def lose, i raced a gsr on the track once n he ran like a 15.1 n i ran like a 15.8

[STYLEZ24]

Hey GRANDAMLD9... There is a GrandAm board go post your garbage over there... or do some research before you come on here confusing people

[GRANDAMLD9]

Originally Posted by STYLEZ24

Hey GRANDAMLD9... There is a GrandAm board go post your garbage over there... or do some research before you come on here confusing people

Why is my statement garbage?

[WhiteCavaliac]

Well you said gsr's run high 14's but thats what Type R's do. GSR's run mid to low 15's. Z24 typically run mid to high 15's. For what I withness going to work the Z24 showed its torque launching of the line very quickly and the integra showed its topend power once it got moving. Both cars launched well with just a slight chirp at the "line".
Perhaps the Z24 would benefit more with a topend cam cause it has more than enough torque.

[GRANDAMLD9]

Originally Posted by WhiteCavaliac

Well you said gsr's run high 14's but thats what Type R's do. GSR's run mid to low 15's. Z24 typically run mid to high 15's. For what I withness going to work the Z24 showed its torque launching of the line very quickly and the integra showed its topend power once it got moving. Both cars launched well with just a slight chirp at the "line".
Perhaps the Z24 would benefit more with a topend cam cause it has more than enough torque.

Well when I said high 14s I meant 14.9 at best, but like at best a cavi will run mid to low 15s. And yes, the LD9 does have a lot of torque; they make more torque then HP. So like I stated before, a fully gutted jbody with an ld9 would give a stock GSR a run for its money, and like you said about cams, you can do is what’s know as the secret cam swap. Basically a 95 2.3 quad4 intake cam, and a 90-94 2.3 quad4 (LD2) exhaust cam. People clam with this mod an increase of 10-20 horsepower. So with that said I think a fully gutted jbody with the ld9 and the SCS would take a stock GSR.

Now with that said, I do not understand how my information is garbage. I would say I am probably one of the most knowledgeable people on this forum concerning the LD9 and other quad motors.

[WhiteCavaliac]

I have never heard of that cam swap but its interesting. How do I get one cam from each of those engines? Is it cost effective against just getting aftermarket performance cams?
I really just wanted to get the cheapest 96-up z24 I could find which probably wouldn't be in good condition gut the hell out of it, slap on some cheap bolt-ons and hopefully run low 15's with good fuel economy.

[C_Sephiroth]

Why wouldn't you just get the Cams from the HO engines, they have higher lift and longer duration. Right?

[GRANDAMLD9]

Originally Posted by C_Sephiroth

Why wouldn't you just get the Cams from the HO engines, they have higher lift and longer duration. Right?

No the HO cams will not work on a LD9 head. Although they do have more doration then the SCS they have clearence problems within the head.
SC's
1995 Cam Specs
200 degrees @ .050" with .360" lift for the intake
LD2 (1990+) Cam Specs
200 degrees @ .050" with .375" lift for the exhaust

Stock 2.3 HO cams Specs
212 degrees @ .050" with .410" lift for the intake
212 degrees @ .050" with .410" lift for the exhaust

Stock 2.4 LD9 Cam Specs
198 degrees @ .050" with .354" lift for the intake
187 degrees @ .050" with .346" lift for the exhaust

See how close the specs on the SC's are to the LD9 cams.

The SC's can be had from a yard from anywhere from 20 bucks a cam (if you pull them yourself) to 100 a peice (alread pulled). They sell new for about 150 per cam from dealers, autopart stores. but for new ones you have to buy new lifters so that even more. and on ebay they go for about 200 bucks for the set. If you go to places like rsm and they like they charge about 800 bucks for these cams. gains are estimated in the 10-20 hp range and most is picked up from the exhuast cam.

[GRANDAMLD9]

with all that i have said, i would like to understand why my statements are garbage.

[Yellwaznboy]

Ok Integra Type R runs low to mid 14's, the gsr runs high 14's to low 15's. How do you guys think a Cav would rank up to a Sentra SE-R?

[studballs]

a stock Type R will never run a low 14...

[Yellwaznboy]

I've seen a stock Type-R run 14.3 at the track.