Another Civic Q

[KaMaKaZiPyRo]

ok is it possible to fit a 6spd tranny on any of the engines that will fit a civic? And whats about the max hp a civic can have?1995 Honda Civic EX, and if i was to put in an H22a engine , when i go to buy engine parts i would buy them as if i was buying parts for a honda prelude right? ANd another question is, I hear all this talk about how all U.S civics have speed govenors, so can i cut mine off, or adjust it or no matter what mods I get will it top out at around from 115-135?

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by KaMaKaZiPyRo

ok is it possible to fit a 6spd tranny on any of the engines that will fit a civic? And whats about the max hp a civic can have?1995 Honda Civic EX, and if i was to put in an H22a engine , when i go to buy engine parts i would buy them as if i was buying parts for a honda prelude right?

No, because you must mate a Civic tranny to a Civic engine, and not any tranny either. Only B16 trannies can work on B16 motors, and D-series trannies on D-series motors.

Max HP for a D16Y8 engine that's in your Civic EX, is basically as much as you're willing to spend on it. If you have all the money in the world, then you can pump as much power out of it as you want. To be specific here, 200-220 WHEEL hp is about the max you can get out of the motor on stock internals (crank, rods, pistons, etc...) but if you surpass this then first thing to fail on you well be your rods that connect to the pistons. One if not all can and WILL snap in half. As for a build motor, I've seen over 400hp cranked out of an N/A (non-aspirated, or NO super charger, turbo or nitrous) motor.

If you go H22 motor, then YES anything engine related you'd buy pertaining to a Prelude, you couldn't buy Civic engine parts for a Prelude motor.

[1995 geo tracker]

i thought i would just ask on this thread instead of starting a new one , if i was to put a h22 in my 94 civic will i be able to keep the A/C and P/S? , i have search around a couple of places i have read said no but i just wanted to make sure

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by SilverY2KCivic

Only B16 trannies can work on B16 motors, and D-series trannies on D-series motors.

Max HP for a D16Y8 engine that's in your Civic EX, is basically as much as you're willing to spend on it. If you have all the money in the world, then you can pump as much power out of it as you want. To be specific here, 200-220 WHEEL hp is about the max you can get out of the motor on stock internals (crank, rods, pistons, etc...) but if you surpass this then first thing to fail on you well be your rods that connect to the pistons. One if not all can and WILL snap in half. As for a build motor, I've seen over 400hp cranked out of an N/A (non-aspirated, or NO super charger, turbo or nitrous) motor.

If you go H22 motor, then YES anything engine related you'd buy pertaining to a Prelude, you couldn't buy Civic engine parts for a Prelude motor.

N/A is naturally aspirated, not non aspirated, and there is no 400+ N/A 4 cyclinder Honda motor anywhere. And there is no D series making 200+ on stock internals, unless you mean boosted, and then ok, there are, but they are tuned to hell. And you can use other trannies for B16s other thna B16's, as long as they are B series.

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by jcrx

N/A is naturally aspirated, not non aspirated, and there is no 400+ N/A 4 cyclinder Honda motor anywhere. And there is no D series making 200+ on stock internals, unless you mean boosted, and then ok, there are, but they are tuned to hell. And you can use other trannies for B16s other thna B16's, as long as they are B series.

Blah, typo on the N/A, I always seem to type it out that way.

Everything else I stated except on the B-series tranny stuff, which I got showed up on is correct. That follows the keep it in the family rule on Honda trannys.

I have SEEN with my own eyes (both motor itself, as well as the dyno sheets), a D15b7 motor that could crank out 220whp on STOCK internals. I really hate people that are so anti D-series, that they will deny what they don't want to hear or believe about something they don't know very much about. This D15 had a 272 grind cam from DeltaCam, upgraded springs and retainers, ported and polished head, and an added 50 shot of nitrous. Yes, it was force inducted. But stock internals are stock internals no matter what's used to make that power and they are kept in place as is. This isn't much tunage on this motor other than the cam and porting.

BTW, you doubt a 400+ hp N/A D-series? Better do some reading up on Bisi E. Then you'll see that 11 seconds isn't impossible for an N/A D16

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by SilverY2KCivic

I have SEEN with my own eyes (both motor itself, as well as the dyno sheets), a D15b7 motor that could crank out 220whp on STOCK internals. I really hate people that are so anti D-series, that they will deny what they don't want to hear or believe about something they don't know very much about. This D15 had a 272 grind cam from DeltaCam, upgraded springs and retainers, ported and polished head, and an added 50 shot of nitrous. Yes, it was force inducted. But stock internals are stock internals no matter what's used to make that power and they are kept in place as is. This isn't much tunage on this motor other than the cam and porting.

BTW, you doubt a 400+ hp N/A D-series? Better do some reading up on Bisi E. Then you'll see that 11 seconds isn't impossible for an N/A D16

I know exactly who Bisi Ezerioha is, now show me his dyno that says he was making 400+ N/A on a D series. It doesn't take 400+ Hp and his record was 10.23 or something in his 1.5 non vtec D15B using 118 gas, in a uncut CRX chassis, total weight was about 1500 I believe + or - . And people really need to stop throwing that around as a viable argument for D series, because that motor is NOT a streetable engine, and it is SOOOOOO far from what it started as, since he specs all his own cams, pistons, etc... it just doesn't even have a place in thread from someone asking about a drivable motor.
And I never said you couldn't make 200+ on stock D series internals, I said you can't make 200 N/A on stock D series internals.

[crxlvr]

[quote=SilverY2KCivic]This D15 had a 272 grind cam from DeltaCam, upgraded springs and retainers, ported and polished head, and an added 50 shot of nitrous. QUOTE]


when you change cams, springs, retainers, etc etc, your internals are no longer stock.

[liquidflame8]

[quote=crxlvr]

Originally Posted by SilverY2KCivic

This D15 had a 272 grind cam from DeltaCam, upgraded springs and retainers, ported and polished head, and an added 50 shot of nitrous. QUOTE]


when you change cams, springs, retainers, etc etc, your internals are no longer stock.

when someone says stock internals to me i immediately think engine block internals. that's the only way i've ever heard it used.

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by liquidflame8

when someone says stock internals to me i immediately think engine block internals. that's the only way i've ever heard it used.

Where are your cams? Inside you head right.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by liquidflame8

when someone says stock internals to me i immediately think engine block internals. that's the only way i've ever heard it used.

Internals are the parts INSIDE of your motor, right....the Inside of your motor has 2 parts, the HEAD and the SHORT BLOCK. Now, as jcrx and crxlvr said, cams are INSIDE the head, they are on the INSIDE of the motor. Therefor, the technically are part of the internals, as are the rest of it...also, porting and polishing a head, that's no where near a stock spec'd head at that point...the Short Block part of the motor internals may be stock, but the Head part of the motor internals arn't stock internals when you change cams/and or grinds, springs, retainers, have it ported and polished, etc.

[SilverY2KCivic]

Yes, all are internals, but the BLOCK internals are far more likely and vulnerable to fail than the head internals. When I read and talk about internals, I almost always mean the block portion of stuff. You can't really increase much power in an N/A sense without changing out the head internals if not the head itself. The block is where the strength of the engine comes from, and so for those to remain stock on 200+ hp is quite a feat in a D-series motor.

When you said "no 400+ hp N/A D-series motor anywhere" you never said race only applications didn't count, that's why I pointed out Bisi to you. It's just proof that with the right parts, and amount of money, it CAN and has been done. Obviusly an engine that is extensively built is NOT going to be streetable, but it still is the worlds fastest D15 on the planet, and no one can dispute that. Not 400 hp? It was never actually published, but if Steph's old AEM drag Civic that he used to use (the FWD H22 version) could only pull 8's on 671 turbocharged HP, then Bisi's 10.23 second N/A D15 has to be pushing some insanely high numbers, otherwise he couldn't be only 2 seconds off a turbo'ed H22. if you can find his actual HP rating on the motor before he retired it, then post it up and prove me wrong.

[liquidflame8]

you guys are just being dumb about it. i knew what he meant. i'm sorry that you guys didn't. and i know that cams are in the engines "head" not YOU head. lol. but i know what you meant cuz i'm not an ass like you guys are being

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by SilverY2KCivic

When you said "no 400+ hp N/A D-series motor anywhere" you never said race only applications didn't count, that's why I pointed out Bisi to you. It's just proof that with the right parts, and amount of money, it CAN and has been done. Obviusly an engine that is extensively built is NOT going to be streetable, but it still is the worlds fastest D15 on the planet, and no one can dispute that. Not 400 hp? It was never actually published, but if Steph's old AEM drag Civic that he used to use (the FWD H22 version) could only pull 8's on 671 turbocharged HP, then Bisi's 10.23 second N/A D15 has to be pushing some insanely high numbers, otherwise he couldn't be only 2 seconds off a turbo'ed H22. if you can find his actual HP rating on the motor before he retired it, then post it up and prove me wrong.

Bisi's F22 puts out 376hp and 256 lbs-ft, his 1.5 D series, which is what we are talking about put out around 250hp, once John at RS machines emails me the card, I'll have more exact numbers on the D for you.

I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but we need to keep this realistic, there's a lot of up and comers that are reading this stuff, and taking it to heart, lets keep it as accurate as possible.

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by jcrx

Bisi's F22 puts out 376hp and 256 lbs-ft, his 1.5 D series, which is what we are talking about put out around 250hp, once John at RS machines emails me the card, I'll have more exact numbers on the D for you.

I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but we need to keep this realistic, there's a lot of up and comers that are reading this stuff, and taking it to heart, lets keep it as accurate as possible.

Only 250? I find that very hard to believe. A bit because that friend with 220whp that I speak of was only running low 13's with it, and almost knocking the 12 second bracket. Then again, D series react faster to smaller amount of gains as it seems.

To be fully realistic, shying someone away from building their D-series up, and doing a swap instead, isn't always the only answer. So you swap and spend the same amound you would to keep the D-series, and build it to the same hp and faster performance level of that stock B-series swap.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by liquidflame8

you guys are just being dumb about it. i knew what he meant. i'm sorry that you guys didn't. and i know that cams are in the engines "head" not YOU head. lol. but i know what you meant cuz i'm not an ass like you guys are being

Look man, we are not trying to be dicks." Don't even start with us. SilverY2KCivic is my bud, so of course I am not being a dick to him. As jcrx said though, there are lots of up and comers, new comers, who come here and DON'T KNOW that he is only meaning block internals. You may know that, I may know that, jcrx may and so wuld SilverY2KCivic. However, realize NOT EVERYONE WHO LOGS ON WILL KNOW THIS. That is why we pointed it out. To clarify things. These threads don't get erased, so when someone new logs in later and reads it, we want them to know what we all ment when we said things. Otherwise there will be a bunc of misnformed people walking around. Just because you, I, jcrx, silverY2KCivic and others know what was ment when Silver2K said that DOESN'T MEAN EVERYONE WILL. That is why we correct and claify things. Because realize it or not, new poeple come in and read these old threads for info, and we want to make sure THEY know what was being said. Not every person new to cars is going to "know he only ment the block." Like he even said, he knows the head is part of the internals, but that's not what he ment. Now we know what he ment, but that doesn't mean everyone does.