HOW can I beat a gt with a civic?!

[mrlucci4051]

with a b16 civic exactly what is it going to take (besides driving skill) to beat it. what bolt ons should go first and what internalls should go first? 'cause i want to beat the shit outta the next gt that makes fun of imports. I mean ANYONE can buy a 5 spd gt and run like 14's right?! how is that respectable. i'll take an 18 second car and get it to where it can beat a GT. Now THAT'S respectable.

[Digital Overdrive]

Well. the B16 powered Civic actually runs, with a little skill, high 15's or low 16's, a stock GT = low 15's/high 14's. I would say around 30-50 HP extra to the wheels would beat it. My 92 civi HB beat one with stock GSR with intake, header, and exhaust.

For your case, most B16's Naturally Aspirated won't run over 200 HP to the wheels, with everything nearly modded. I would say start your way outside, and creep your way in with every paycheck. Buy the Short Ram, Cold Air, or custom made intake. Then get the exhaust system with about a 2.25"-2.5" piping and cat converter (just enuf to sound like the classic pissed off bumble-bee). Then maybe some spark-plug wires, and some performance plugs (most plug advertisements lie, but doesn't hurt). Then go a little deeper, like a header (make sure you pick one that someone highly recommends, the extra bucks will pay off), then maybe open up the ports on your intake manifold a little. An aftermarket Ignition coil helps on your spark side. This is about all the cheap serious HP you will get. It just goes deeper from here on out, this shuld be around 15-20 extra horses added to your 165 HP motor. The most important and cheapest factor for your motor is proper maintenance. If you expect to run the hell out of your car every weekend, then make sure it's running top-notch. By the way, make sure that timing belt is in good shape (blown motor while racing GT, he has never let me hear the end of it).

[killah_xft]

lots of money for an engine build up, and a nice big turbo kit..

oh, and TONS of stickers on the outside of the car adds about 20 HP... lol, j/k..

[Ace$nyper]

get EF civic with b16 bolt ons your in GT range newer ones weigh more so pull slower times so you'll need to dip into them a bit more somthing like a simple turbo kit made your self will give you more then enough power. bolts ons and lil n20 should also give you enough to put a GT down.

[mrlucci4051]

Digital Overdrive thanks. ok but killah learn about specifics and not "lots of money for an engine build up, and a nice big turbo kit.." but like i said digital overdrive thank you.

[jcrx]

[quote=Digital Overdrive]Well. the B16 powered Civic actually runs, with a little skill, high 15's or low 16's, a stock GT = low 15's/high 14's. I would say around 30-50 HP extra to the wheels would beat it. My 92 civi HB beat one with stock GSR with intake, header, and exhaust.
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With a little skill more like mid to low fourteens, and with a good driver high thirteens. I know two people that have run 13.6 in bolted on B16A,s in slightly stripped (spare tire, rear seat, etc...) and one without slicks hit 13.9.

[killah_xft]

The reason I only said lots of money for buildup, is because I don't know what he's going to build up, and what with.... there are so many different options for the B series motors.. that it's not funny. If I were you I'd swap out for a K series engine... I know tuning for the K series is relatively new, but I beleive the K series has a LOT of potential. and it depends on what type of runs you want to do so far as the turbo is concerned... I mean If you look at Honda tuning's report on the Civic saltdog from 2003/2 that did a top speed run of 210MPH... they used a Huge turbo in that thing... I can't remember what it was exactly, and I can't refer to it, because i lent it to my GF's stepfather. the nature of that one is high boost at almost the top of the RPM range, which means the damn thing took some time to spool, and ran about a 4 Mile strecth, while you will probably only 1/4 to 1/2 mile stretches of full load. in which case a smaller turbo that will spool at around 4-5k rpm's and will still have enough boost to put you in the good 15-18PSI..
It all depends on how much money you want to drop into the car, and how much tuning you are going to do on the car... Even if you took out all the interior, and just had the two front seats, and the steering wheel/shifter, that would shave a good 150 lbs off the car and give you a good half second in a 1/4...

I'd say start building up for a turbo install..

(prices are rough estimates)

sleeve the block (if you want to tune that high) $800-1100
lower compression forged pistons (about 8:1 ratio should be fine) $500
stronger I beam rods $400
balance/blueprint the crank $350
make sure your ignition system is up to snuff, and install turbo plugs.
install a turbo cam $400
install high pressure fuel pump and 440-550 cc Fuel injectors $100
install FMU/FPR $200
install boost controller $300
install FP, OP, and AFR guages $200
get a good sized turbo... T3/t04e should do the trick, and get a nice IC.. $3500
install that... and be sure and set it at low PSI to start... tune as best you can at home, and bring to a dyno to tune properly (just at the brink of detonation)..

all that for about $5000 or more... and that's considering you get some good deals on parts.. and you do most, if not all the labor yourself..

And you should be able to blast that GT, and even some better cars..
as for adding N20 to a turbo.... I would'nt advise it... it's just a hassle to add to your tuning... and leads to a blown engine.. the reason I say a shitload of money is... you don't know what might go wrong with the build..