Mclaren LM

[jcsaleen]

Does any one know where all 5 Lm's are?

All I kno is where 03 is location Mass U.s.a

[BMW V12]

hi ,

no , it's very hard to find them but we know about the one you've mentioned and maybe there's another one in japan...
that's all we know..

^_^

[toddreuter]

There was already a thread like this before, but here's a chart I made to break it down:

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Chassis: LM1
Location: Brunei
Owner: Sultan
Description: One of two Black LM's.

Chassis: LM2
Location: Japan (ZAZ Automotive Museum)
Owner: Okamoto
Description: Papaya/Historic Orange

Chassis: LM3
Location: U.S.A. (Massachusetts)
Owner: Ralph Lauren (previously owned by Frank Selldorff)
Description: Papaya/Historic Orange
*Note: according to Frank himself, this LM was previously owned by David Morisson, but he was forced to sell it due to legal reasons. This LM was crashed and lost some of its rear end. It may not have been repaired yet.

Chassis: LM4
Location: Brunei
Owner: Sultan
Description: One of two Black LM's.

Chassis: LM5
Location: Brunei
Owner: Sultan
Description: Papaya/Historic Orange

Chassis: XP1LM
Location: UK (Mclaren Factory)
Owner: Mclaren
Description Papaya/Historic Orange with black XP1 badging

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Looking at the chart, you can see that we've completely confirmed the three LM's that we actually have photographs of: XP1 LM, LM2, and LM3. We basically know the whereabouts of the two black ones (which are confirmed to exist...Mclaren doesn't lie), and the orange one (all three are supposed to be locked away in the Sultan of Brunei's garages). We have finally confirmed that LM2 is indeed in Japan, and that it is owned by Okamoto, who also owns 58F1GT, 053, and several more cars.

[mini magic]

the sultan only has the black lm's i believe. the 3rd orange lm may be in Northern England

[lynx_effect]

Originally Posted by mini magic

the sultan only has the black lm's i believe. the 3rd orange lm may be in Northern England

That would be interesting! Have you got anything to go on that would make u think that?

adam.

[mini magic]

a fairly in depth story about a ride in it on sc.net. Not really that reliable but thats all i have to go on.

[cabrio92]

Hello,

It is an interesting subject. Bravo peloton25 for your summary is very good

One thing : 1) you know that Sultan of Brunei owns 6 F50 not listed in 349 series, right ?
2) He has also some modfied 456GT and at least one in France. Each year, a 456 Venice is exposed in Louis Vuitton Classic in Paris, so it could be possible but impossible now to know where his "french" cars are
3) someone seen at start of Supercar Rally 02' told me that each year, many cars fron Bentley, Ferrari etc are bought by the sultan and maybe not listed.
4) some people here told that they have seen a LM ,at Phoenix I remember for example.

So I ask a question :
why not more than 5 LM ?

Good night !
Phil

[Mr. Bernoulli]

Originally Posted by cabrio92

why not more than 5 LM ?

Cause McLaren can't be bought like Ferrari. Remember that Ron Dennis stopped the Sultan from buying all 5 LM's.

[McLaren F1 Guy]

The people who say they have seen an LM at Phoenix probably saw an F1 road car with the HD kit.

[cabrio92]

Hello,

thank you Mr. Bernoulli to remember that point.

Cause McLaren can't be bought like Ferrari. Remember that Ron Dennis stopped the Sultan from buying all 5 LM's.

Are you sure ?

As a tribute to the memory of Bruce McLaren, all the F1 LM's were painted in the same Papaya Orange that was used on his contemporary Formula One and Can Am cars

LM1 1996 Black/Graphics
LM2 1996 Historic Orange
LM3 1996 Historic Orange
LM4 1996 Black/Graphics
LM5 1996 Historic Orange

There is a contradiction, no ?
We could imagine 5 Orange LM and 2 Black/graphics ?

Ciao
Phil

[mini magic]

nope. 3 orange, 2 black + 1 orange prototype which mclaren has


i made a list of a few of the cars the sultan (actually his brother) owns/owned. I think you'll enjoy it:

http://s90720894.onlinehome.us/Brunei_List.xls


its in excel format and is VERY incomplete and i doubt i'll never be much more complete.

[mini magic]

btw, the reason d.a says all lm's are orange is that Jefri's car buying habits weren't legal and (at least with the bentleys and rolls) there was no record of production of the cars. It was simply an exchange: cash for the keys.

[cabrio92]

Hello,

Big up for mini magic ! Wouaouh !
Awesome list

How do you do to have all these informations ?
Here is a link to a pic : http://www.allsportauto.com/modules....to&zl_idMD=199
I think it can be owned by Sultan ?

Thank you very much !

Ciao
Phil

[lynx_effect]

I was looking into the buying habits of Prince Jaji Jefri Bolkiah, aka the Sultans brother. Found an article about his financial problems and over spending, which is common knowledge. But this article specifically named Mclaren, along with many other car manufactures including Bentley and Rolls Royce, to whom Jefri has a personal debt too. All the above company’s where apparently pushing legal action to retrieve the debt.

I’ve misplaced the link, but I’ll see if I can dig it out.

mini magic do you still have that faint picture in the sultans garage of the replica Ueno car. I’ve lost it; if you could post it again I would be greatful.

cheers
adam.

Ps that’s a really well constructed list you’ve got there. I would really like a mythos, just beautiful.

[BMW V12]

great job mini magic

it's a fantastic list,sure it's incomplete,but what should a rich car enthusiast do with his money when not spending it on cars like he does...

i wonder why he needs 20+ bentley's , royce's etc..

i like the idea of #54F1GT and the other 2 black lm's being in the sultan's hands, because we haven't seen pics of them , typical for the sultan's cars ( except the 465 venice estate,ferrari mythos + bolide etc............. )

^_^