2g GST/GSX vs. 95-96 Mustang Cobra

[joemathews]

Okay, I am probably going to end up getting a car next week when I am home from school over spring break, and I've wanted an eclipse for some time now. But I keep hearing people praising RWD cars for their performance off the line and at high speeds. So this lead me into looking at mustangs. So, how do you all think a 1995 mustang cobra (240hp 285 tq) would match up against a gst? What about a gsx? And considering that this will be my daily driver, which car is more reliable? I have this same thread goin on the mustang forum, and people keep claiming it will be easier to get a stang into the 12s than a dsm. Also, I am not going to be looking for super drag times like 10's...but I would like to be in the 12's as cheaply and reliably as possible. (96 and up cobras push upwards of 300 hp, so I don't think lightly modded dsm's could hang with them, but lemme hear your opinions on that too!)

[Mediocrity]

Daily driver?

Get a GSX.
It's not honestly that freaking hard to get a GSX into the 12's and when you start managing to push that - you still have a car that can get you around in rain and snow... and isn't an ugly mother fucker.

And if you really wanted to start putting a lot of money into it - you can push 10's decently easy too.

[skyllz]

The mustang will require more gas, with the Eclipse, you could do small mods and get the same performance.

[ashah000]

Does it snow where you live?
If so i think the mustang is going to suck in the winter

[RiceRocket18]

Originally Posted by skyllz

The mustang will require more gas, with the Eclipse, you could do small mods and get the same performance.

it's true... one of my buddies has a mustang and he kept complain to me how much gas his horse eats. it might be true that mustang is more durable, since most american cars seem that way. but IMOP eclipse GST/X just looks so much better, and more options when it comes to upgrade (you'll have more fun with).

[Mediocrity]

I dunno Rice, the 4g63 motor is nice and durable...

[RiceRocket18]

i am not talking about the engine. but for the purpose of general and overal durability. there is certain no doubt that those Jap engines are incredibly powerful and durable.

[RiceRocket18]

but i think if we were to talk about real durability, those german cars are the REAL bad azz!!.. like those beatles, those fuckers are still around

they simply won't DIE!

[real_madridcf]

IMO you should stick w/ the gsx if your looking for a daily driving car and not a race car. And yes its true, mustangs do burn alot of gas. But hey, its your money and your decision.
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[BoostedSpyder]

i wonder what all those mustang guy's are sayin... they are probly diss'n us cuz they always get spanked...lol
once you go DSM you never go back!!!

[daveshapellSVT]

I own a 99 SVT Cobra and i know a lot about mustangs so maybe i can help.. heres some stats to help ya out:

1994 Cobra 0-60=5.9sec and 1/4 in 14.8

1996 cobra 0-60 in 5.4 sec and 1/4 in 14 flat

1999 Cobra 0-60 in 4.8 1/4 in 13.5

2003+ Cobra 0-60 in 4.7 sec and 1/4 in 12.5-12.7

Stock for stock Any Cobra will rape a DSM

I went to the track two weekends ago and there was an older like 92 eclipse GSX running 14.7 with some mods, daytona running 14.4, and a 98 NON turbo DSM eclipse running 16 something... I honestly think you would be happier with a Cobra.. They are not that bad on gas.. all cars are crappy on gas when you beat on them.. when i first got my Cobra it was stock and if i drove it nice i could get 350 miles from a tank easy.. I never fill my tank either... I personally have driven many new and old DSM's, SRT-4's and a couple other turbo cars.. Stock eclipses really don't have any balls.. i would buy an srt-4 over a 98 eclipse.. way faster, but i'm very happy with my Cobra.. When i went to the track, first time with the car, i ran 13.4 with bald tires and the only mods i have right now are flowmaster catback system and underdrive pullies.. i just purchased nitto 555R drag radials and i know i can get a 13.1 or 13.2 out of it with the mods i have.. so to date i've spent 129 on three pullies and 340 on a cat back and the car is almost running 12's.. stock the car pumped out 279rwhp..

To further help you out, i know a friend who has an older talon.. we call him joe talon lol he got his talon running high 12's, but the thing was a mess.. he was blowing hoses left and right and it ran like shit.. thing about going turbo is you must know how to tune or have money to have someone tune it for you.. I also have a friend whos GSR we have installed a turbo kit in and a prelude in which we installed a jackson racing supercharger.. so i know my way around boost alittle.. hope my experience can help you out on your decision.. personally i'd go mustang Cobra 100%

[daveshapellSVT]

However, heres what i would use a DSM for.. I'd find one in fairly decent condition off autotrader or the paper.. spend 2k at most just buying the car... get it home and tear it apart, rebuild the bottom end and boost the shit out of it in a controlled manner... No offense to anyone in this forum, but DSM aren't known for reliability... So i'd make a cheap rebuildable project out of it.. just totally gutt the interior and everything.. straight up race car..

[EclipseRST]

sorry to say but the dude already bought a car... and this thread is almost 2 months old!

but on the other subject...how much did you spend on your car? i'll tell you right off the bat i spent about $5000 on mine (one in the sig)... wanna race for slips? probably not huh, see mustangs are expensive, (price and insurance) so for the money you spend on it, you could put that into a DSM and be fast as shit compared to your cobra! hell i'll even race ya in my GST, i spent around the same on that car, havent even raced it yet, as a matter of fact it has 850 miles on the rebuilt 6 bolt motor! dont know what it will run, i dont even know what to expect for HP yet, i'll know in a week when i am done breaking it in!

a Ford will always be a ford! it will never change... just a Fucked Over Rebuilt Dodge!!!

[JoeWagon]

Too bad no sports car owner keeps their easily modifiable car stock. In that case, consider the following:
There is a 550whp Cobra here in town.
There are 500whp DSMs on pump gas

We see here that any combination can be possible, so it really doesn't matter which car is faster stock. I do know that a 99 cobra is more expensive than a 92 DSM, and a 92 DSM with a few grand = 12 second car (proven) so don't dismiss us so easily. We have cars in the 8's and motors in the 7's.

[daveshapellSVT]

who races for slips haha? You like your car for your reasons and i like mine for my reasons. But, i don't consider Mitsubishi or chrylser better quality then Ford.. Mitsubishi is like the bottom of the barrol import.. nothing wrong with that when your running 12's, but a mustang Cobra is diffently a higher quality car than a Eclipse or talon.. I'm honest about things like that.. just in the same manner a M3 is of better quality than my stang.. And just some info on my car.. i bought it slightly used, as i'm sure most ppl buy DSM's used considering the only ones worth buying are the Turbo'd older ones, for 15K.. I was actually considering a GST at the time i even went and drove one that a kid owned.. he wanted 13K for it.. so if i would had bought that eclipse and dumped 5K into the engine i would had ended up spending almost 20k.. instead i spent 15k and an additional 500 bucks and i'm running low 13's.. think about how much faster my car would be with 5k in the motor like you.. procharger for about 3500, and i'm off and running mid 11's.. so probably for the amount you paid for your setup i'd be running deep in the 11's for the same price with the car i have. plus i've had a fast car since the day i bought it.. you've had to work at the thing a lot to get it as fast as it is today.. i mean lets be honest these two cars are in different leagues here.. Your DSM runs what, 14.9 at best stock.. my Cobra ran 13.4 nearly stock on bald tires.. all you've been doing is playing catch up.. i'm not hear to bash DSM's cause i think they are cool.. i was just giving the guy my thoughts and i didn't realize he made up his mind already..