Is Life and mankind a disease?

[range]

A thought occured to me the other day as I was thinking about the universe. I dont know if this has been discussed before, but has anyone else noticed that the structure of the solar system is the same structure of an atom. The sun (nucleus) and the orbiting planets (electorns). This is why we were able to harness the power of electricity. Everyone always thinks of earth as the lucky planets with life, but I see it now as an infected atom. What I am saying is that since man is evil and is only capable of destruction (as much as we deny it), it makes since that we are a disease that is capable of spreading throughout the molecular design of perhaps a bigger lifeform. Sucking up the nutrients of different worlds and planets, making mankind itself like a rash or something on a bigger lifeform. I believe this is true because it makes too much sense.
Any thoughts on it.

[DGB454]

Hopefully we arent in one of those particle accelerators hurdling towards another atom.


Seriously though.

I don't believe man is only capable of destruction.

[eversio11]

I believe this is true because it makes too much sense.

Oh, if only it worked like that.

So, if we give into your idea of the planets as electrons orbiting the sun, why do the planets not jump energy levels to stabilize the atom? And 9 electrons, huh? So the solar system is one big fluorine atom? Interesting.

[range]

Originally Posted by eversio11

Oh, if only it worked like that.

So, if we give into your idea of the planets as electrons orbiting the sun, why do the planets not jump energy levels to stabilize the atom? And 9 electrons, huh? So the solar system is one big fluorine atom? Interesting.

Well I just said that the structure is very similar. Im not sure how often it takes for an electron to jump but in relation to the earth, the timespan would be much larger. But than again, dont Neptune and Pluto do somethig like that??? The last two planets.

Originally Posted by craigcully

I see your point, and it is a fairly interesting take on life in general. I don't believe in everything that you said though, but it is a good point. I think that mankind in general is pretty cocky and we think that we are the most supreme beings in the universe, which by all means you can argue about forever, but my point is that humans think that we are the driving force of all that is good in the universe and if there happens to be other lifeforms in the universe I think that mindset would get us in a lot of trouble should we ever come in contact with them. I guess all I can add to this discussion is my opinion and my opinion is that mankind is inherently screwed to end, but that doesn't change my life any, I'm still going to have to get up and work within the confines of my society. I guess what I'm going to do is try and do whatever it takes for me to feel good at the end of the day. Sorry for the rant, but to answer your question, no, mankind is not a disease to the universe in the context that you put it. But that's merely one man's opinion.

well, at the current time society seems to be doing well, but in the years to come there will be alot more wars and changes to the way we live. I guarantee you.

Originally Posted by dgb454

Hopefully we arent in one of those particle accelerators hurdling towards another atom.


Seriously though.

I don't believe man is only capable of destruction.

I am mainly talking about the fact that we are using up the earths wealth of nutrients, destroying it. Sooner or later it will be gone and we will have to father some other planet. Even though that might seem far off.

That also brings up another theory of mine. You know how mars has those solar ice caps, right. I think that the beginning of life might have started a long time ago over there and after that planet got dry and drained out, somehow the lifeforms there might have sent the first life to this planet, sprouting the life over here. After all, we have sent things back over there. Just something to think about.

[eversio11]

Originally Posted by range

But than again, dont Neptune and Pluto do somethig like that??? The last two planets.

No. Their orbits cross, they don't jump.

Originally Posted by range

That also brings up another theory of mine. You know how mars has those solar ice caps, right. I think that the beginning of life might have started a long time ago over there and after that planet got dry and drained out, somehow the lifeforms there might have sent the first life to this planet, sprouting the life over here. After all, we have sent things back over there. Just something to think about.

If our ancestors had the ability to travel through space, why would humanity start with neanderthals and cromags and the lot?

[kittedb18bt]

i noticed the similarities between our solar system and an atom when i was 12 or so. i may post my theories later.
-i will throw my point here: human beings will become extinct. it is just our time to rule the world. before us, the dinosaurs were here. of course, after man, we believe that roaches will follow.
-about neptune/pluto: we have been told that pluto is the farthest planet from the sun...this has only been true recently. most of my life, neptune was a greater distance.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by kittedb18bt

i noticed the similarities between our solar system and an atom when i was 12 or so. i may post my theories later.
-i will throw my point here: human beings will become extinct. it is just our time to rule the world. before us, the dinosaurs were here. of course, after man, we believe that roaches will follow.
-about neptune/pluto: we have been told that pluto is the farthest planet from the sun...this has only been true recently. most of my life, neptune was a greater distance.

The only thing similar thing between an atom and the solar system is NOTHING. The only thing I can imagine that you thought were similar is the orbiting planets which (not really) vaguely resemble electrons around the nucleus. The behavior and layout of atoms is quite different then the behavior of the celestial bodies of our solar system.

Perhaps one day we'll be gone and another creature will rule the world. Hard to tell, the creatures that rule the earth, up till now, have been a genre not a species. We’re the first. Insects are a good guess as any as to who is next.

[kittedb18bt]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

The only thing similar thing between an atom and the solar system is NOTHING. The only thing I can imagine that you thought were similar is the orbiting planets which (not really) vaguely resemble electrons around the nucleus. The behavior and layout of atoms is quite different then the behavior of the celestial bodies of our solar system.

Perhaps one day we'll be gone and another creature will rule the world. Hard to tell, the creatures that rule the earth, up till now, have been a genre not a species. We’re the first. Insects are a good guess as any as to who is next.

ummm, i stated that i noticed these similarities when i was 12. i soon debunked these moronic beliefs. not trying to be mean, but when you pick apart someone's post, don't make yourself look like an idiot.

"The behavior and layout of atoms is quite different then the behavior of the celestial bodies of our solar system"
-this statement makes no sense.
"the creatures that rule the earth, up till now, have been a genre not a species. We’re the first. "
-very good line. although, i learned nothing from your post (i hope others did), i liked this line very much so. its all about perspective.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by kittedb18bt

ummm, i stated that i noticed these similarities when i was 12. i soon debunked these moronic beliefs. not trying to be mean, but when you pick apart someone's post, don't make yourself look like an idiot.

"The behavior and layout of atoms is quite different then the behavior of the celestial bodies of our solar system"
-this statement makes no sense.
"the creatures that rule the earth, up till now, have been a genre not a species. We’re the first. "
-very good line. although, i learned nothing from your post (i hope others did), i liked this line very much so. its all about perspective.

Not to worry - I never look like an idiot

You may have rebuked them but you gave no indication in your post that you did. In fact you said "i may post my theories later", you tell me.

"The behavior and layout of atoms is quite different then the behavior of the celestial bodies of our solar system"
-this statement makes no sense.

Let me clarify. The Electrons (which I am guessing were what you thought the planets acted like) travel around the nuclues in specifig bands. They have no fluctuations in distance and they also travel through all points in the sphere they reside. Perhaps you knew this already and I didn't make the initial post clear enough on that point.

[eversio11]

I'm a little rusty with atomic theory, but don't electrons exist in complex patterns called orbitals? The only thing that resembles our solar system is an electron config diagram.

[ac427cpe]

most things in nature will have similar shapes in different magnifications... eversio11 is on the right track, the configuration might be similar. but (as yogs said) that's it.

[kittedb18bt]

"The behavior and layout of atoms is quite different than the behavior of the celestial bodies of our solar system"
i am just being an ass today.
-yogs, you are one well educated individual. also, you are correct, i was not clear upon stating that i do not believe in the previous theory.

what is absolute zero? off the top of my head i think it is -373. at this temperature we can see how atoms are constructed. i think the similarities end when we notice that there are balls spinning around other balls. our solar system can be visualized using only 2 planes(minus the moons, asteroid belt, and comets. i just mean sun and planets), where as it would take 3 in this atom visualization(we all know the construction). we know that gravity is the driving factor in the solar system, and that charges apply to atoms.

my theory has just been recently published. i had extremely similar thoughts to this individual, and i had these thoughts a few years back. my theory as i titled it..."The Loop". mainly focusing on how our world as we know it is 'looped'. quarks and galaxies are involved. i have not read this published version of my thoughts....one of my genius friends just told me the focuses and how they were similar to my own.

[ac427cpe]

if i remember correctly, absolute zero is a theory ( i thought it was -459F or something like that) a temp that hasn't actually been measured except for within billionths of a degree...

cool stuff...

[kittedb18bt]

yeah, i was off it is -273c and you're correct at -459F. yes, a few billionths of a degree is correct again. at this temperature it seems as though nothing is moving. i also read somewhere that this study of absolute zero actually supports the idea of the big bang. weird stuff.

[eversio11]

Absolut(e) zero is amazing. Its -273 C, or 0 Kelvin. They've come very, very close and things act very strangely at that temperature. I think lead took some properties of a gas.

On another note, has anyone seen oxygen that reflects light? Freaky stuff.