Viper owners scared?

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Stolen from CorvetteForum.com

This thread talks about how the Viper owners or at least a select few, are scared that the new C6 Corvette or more importantly the C6 Z06 will straight own the Viper any which way you can think of.

So they started this Petition. To try to get Daimler-Chrysler (I.e. Dodge) to up the power on the Viper to keep it out in front.




Pretty funny stuff regardless if it's real or fake... figure I'd put it here since it has to do with a bit of racing in general. After all the Viper owners can't lose on the streets.

[Neutrino]

too bad its written by a 5 year old.

[Ace$nyper]

LOL! why would you want to make viper faster if your a vette fan i'm lost? It was a confusing read.

[1QUICK2]

That was so gay, Its called MODS. I dont see how you can want to petition for your car to make the highest stock HP.

Lets make a petition that the 05 cavalier will make and amazing 96hp, with its new VVTILSD CAI and lighter/cheaper plastic than ever before. The Neon will only be making 92hp. Now the Neon has set the standard for HP and track numbers in its class. We CANNOT let the Cavalier take this from us. Please sign my petition to keep dodge power on the street. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Old rich guy with small penis.

[syr74]

I don't know that I am overly worried about GM's new Z06 when compared to the Viper and the Ford GT. And, before someone starts flaming me here is why.

GM has, throughout more recent years, had a nasty tendency to promise way more accleration and speed than they deliver. There are exceptions, like the last generation f-bodies, the C5 Vette, and the 87 GN and GNX, and the 90's Impala SS.

But, I well remember major rumours about the magazines test Syclones being "ringers" because on the track owners virtually never saw the same times the mags ran. And THAT is very unusual as it is usually the other way around. I remember driving a buddies nearly new Typhoon way back when and I kept wondering where all the power went. Same thing with my uncles Typhoon. (Ironically, both trucks were the same white with silver/gray trim) Yes, Typhoons were heaviertan Syclones, but they weren't heavier enough to make the kind of difference I experienced in those Typhoons.

I mean, you could have taken 400lbs out and I still would have been thinking "shouldn't this be faster than it is?" Ironically, had GM not run around claiming that the only thing you couldn't smoke in one was a Gasser I would have been very impressed. Out of the hole they were awesome, but mid-range and up it was kinda like "okay, that's nice".

The ZR-1 was fast, but it was never quite as fast as it's 400+hp promised. And, the cars were wildly unpredictable in the hp department between production examples. You might end up with a real production freak or a dog.

This happens in all cars, but I think the ZR-1 holds the modern day record. Magazines brought up the same "ringer" rumours over the ZR-1 that the Syclone has because they would get one from a non GM source and test it and the thing would be pathetically slow compared to the GM sourced vehicle. This could be attributed to that wildly varying production power level I mentioned earlier.

The original 454SS Silverado was alright, but it was no faster than a 5.8L Lightning. The new Silverado SS is a joke and GM must have spent a year telling us how they were gonna kill the Lightning and do it for less. Well, the SS is here, it is damned expensive, and a crew cab Harley Hauler with less hp than a LIghtning will tear it a new lower orifice.

I am not bashing GM, I am just saying that while all car companies talk smack....GM wrote the book on talking smack. I will believe the Z06 is the Viper and GT eater GM says it is when it shows up and does it...not before.

[BLU CIVIC]

isn't the 700hp vette a rumor or gonna be fact?

[bigol jonson]

as everyone knows the viper is second to none.
oh wait did i say second to none what i meant was second to 1 or maybe 2 or hell 8 but thats not the point everyone knows the viper is fast but dodge's v10 days are numbered i can list a handfull of cars that will (own) the viper and we'll start with the corvette but trust me there is and will be many more.

[DeViL]

Everytime I've visted ViperClub.org they always just laugh at how the Corvette guys think the C6 will beat the Viper. That forum I believe is what they are talking about.

[Polygon]

This is funny.

The C6 isn't any faster than the C5 Z06 and the SRT-10 doesn't have much of a problem beating that. And even if the C6 Z06 manages to be faster than the Viper, the Viper is still a convertible, a roadster, a show off car. When the new Viper Coupe comes out the Vette crew will be headed right back to the drawing board.

[DeViL]

Considering in the old style Viper how that car jumped from 400, to 425, to 450, by the time they make a hardtop version of the Viper it might just come with around 530 hp.

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Originally Posted by Ace$nyper

LOL! why would you want to make viper faster if your a vette fan i'm lost? It was a confusing read.

The Vette guys could careless, it's the Viper guys who started the petition. I just saw the link to it on a Vette forum, and they were laughing at it.

[Polygon]

Whoever wrote the petition in a misinformed fool.

[Ace$nyper]

Originally Posted by RedNeck383

The Vette guys could careless, it's the Viper guys who started the petition. I just saw the link to it on a Vette forum, and they were laughing at it.

Oooo thx for clearing it up for me.
BTW does anyone really care if your car has the most stock HP? hell if it had 3 hp but was hella fun and looks cool thats all that matter *wow i drive an STD civic EF so thats pretty much story of my life for now mwhaha*

[DeViL]

BTW does anyone really care if your car has the most stock HP?

Yes, I think it was important for Chevy to always have more horsepower and torque out of their F-body motors then the Ford did with their Mustangs. The same attitude works vice-versa, it's a rivalry thing ya know.

And it's also important to Dodge for the Viper to always be faster and outpower the Corvette, this is because the Viper costs more. Why the hell would you buy a slower Viper for more money if the Corvette was faster for almost 30k less? The Vette also has more bells and whistles to go with it. If that were the case the only argument a Viper owner could make is that it's a better quality car because it's handbuilt, and that's not much to argue with since Vettes are good quality cars even though they aren't handbuilt.

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Originally Posted by Polygon

Whoever wrote the petition in a misinformed fool.

Why do you say that? Current Z06 isn't a slouch in the performance department... Especially when compared to the almighty Dodge Viper.


Info from MotorTrends Speed Challenge

0-60:
Viper SRT-10: 3.94
Corvette Z06: 4.29
Difference: .35 Seconds

Quarter Mile:
Viper SRT-10: 11.77 @ 123.68mph
Corvette Z06: 12.44 @ 116.54mph
Difference: .67 Seconds

60-0:
Viper SRT-10: 97ft
Corvette Z06: 105ft
Difference: 8ft

0-100-0:
Viper SRT-10: (0-100)8.36 + (100-0)3.81 = 12.17
Corvette Z06: (0-100)9.84 + (100-0)4.08 = 13.92
Difference: 1.75 seconds

100-0:
Viper SRT-10: 274ft
Corvette Z06: 292ft
Difference: 18ft

Standing Mile:
Viper SRT-10: 30.5 @ 167.6
Corvette Z06: 31.8 @ 162.6
Difference: 1.3 Seconds and 5mph

600ft Slalom:
Viper SRT-10: 70.4mph
Corvette Z06: 70.4mph
Difference: None

Top Speed:
Viper SRT-10: 182mph - Track Limited
Corvette Z06: 174mph - Aerodynamically limited
Difference: 8mph

Economy:
Viper SRT-10: 11/21mpg
Corvette Z06: 18/28mpg
Difference: 7/7

Price:
Viper SRT-10: $79,995 (base) - $83,795 (as tested)
Corvette Z06: $50,485 (base) - $51,450 (as tested)
Difference: $29,510 - $32,345


In my opinion, Viper had to step up a bit cause the previous generation Viper wasn't much better than the current Z06's. The new Viper, is by far a much better machine... but the Z06 is still trouncing on it's back door by not too far of a margin. Especially for a $30,000 gap.

If that petition is true, Which I doubt it is. But if it really is, I'd see where Viper owners would see the new generation of Corvettes as another match (i.e. Competition) for their beloved Mopar. Seeing as they just now got the huge jump in performance and gapped the bridge in speed that much more only to have the new C6 come along and bash down their back door for truck loads less of cash.


Give me a refined and comfortable C6 Z06 over a loud and harsh riding SRT-10 any day of the week.

EDIT: But please don't think I'm trying to say the Z06 is the better car. The stats show that to be not true. But what I am saying is that the Z06 is the better buy. Performance bargain of the century is still the Corvette Z06.